Transcript

Friday, 28 August 2009, 0900�1730

SRINIVAS CHENDI: OK, good morning and welcome to APNIC 28 member meeting.

I have a few reminders for this morning. I hope everyone registered before they came into this room at the registration desk. It is mandatory to register to receive your ballot paper for the NRO NC elections. Please, if up didn't register, I would request that you do that at least in the morning tea break so you can receive your ballot paper.

And the other one is, about the informal dinner tonight, you can still register yourself and get a ticket from the registration desk up until this morning.

So, now I would like to welcome the APNIC EC Akinori Maemura to chair this session. Thank you.

AKINORI MAEMURA: Thank you, Sunny. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the APNIC member meeting. My name is Akinori Maemura, chair of the APNIC Executive Council, and you know, if you participated in the previous two or three meetings, I started to be on the stage to chair the AMM, the APNIC Member Meeting, but almost I would leave it to Paul Wilson and the other guys. But still, I stayed on the stage throughout the APNIC member meeting.

OK, the APNIC member meeting will start with the APNIC area report, and our data report will be from Paul Wilson.

PAUL WILSON: Thank you very much, Akinori. And welcome back, everyone, thank you very much for being here on the last day of the APNIC 28 meeting. Today, being the APNIC Member Meeting, is the day that is dedicated to the business and interests of APNIC members in particular, and of course, as I've said before at this time, the meeting is open to everyone and the participation and contributions are encouraged from anyone and everyone who is here with us today. And that includes, of course, anyone who is participating remotely and I would like to give our greetings to anyone who is participating or watching online. Thank you for coming.

OK, we're going to be having some reports from the APNIC Secretariat this morning. I'm not going to dominate the floor. I'm going to give an overview of the, let's say organizational and strategic level and then we're going to pass on into four reports from each of the four area managers, the four areas of the APNIC Secretariat. And as I mentioned, participation is welcome. So, if you have any questions and you would like any further information there, will be time at the end of the reports for any questions and I encourage that.

So, at the moment, APNIC, I think, is going through a lot of change and we're looking forward to a lot of future changes in these particular areas that are listed here. We're looking, as you know, at the imminent exhaustion of the IPv4 address pools. We're looking at the same time at encouraging with more and more activity in the Asia�Pacific region.

At the same time, I think we can't be too obsessed by these two issues. We've got to look at the security of the Internet which is becoming more and more important to the entire community and we have a strong role to play in that as a community of address users, and we also have the parallel activities of Internet governance which are ongoing at the moment through the IGF and related activities. So the APNIC activities in 2009 have focused on the priorities of the members and the wider community as we measure those through the regular APNIC member and stakeholder surveys, and this survey provides some major influence into APNIC activities and activities into the APNIC Secretariat and the APNIC EC. And you'll see during the reports that we continue to focus on the key particular points of the APNIC member survey.

Again, more on the current environment. The IPv4 address pool at the IANA is predicted to be running out in 2011, 2012 and the APNIC v4 address pool is running out in probably in 2012. We are seeing an increased ongoing active level of policy discussion about the IPv4 address policies and we'll be hearing about those later in the day, particularly from the policy, the address Policy SIG which Randy will be boarding that one later in the morning.

It's fair to say that there is not a lot of activity in the address policies relating to IPv6 at the moment. There's no�one who is seriously suggesting that the IPv6 management policies are really critical today in the rate of IPv6 deployment, so our activities in IPv6 deployment are much more in support of IPv6 at the Secretariat, are much more orientated to active support for the information about IPv6 and its deployment. The transition from IPv4 as the dominant protocol, the dominant IP protocol and you'll be hearing more about that as well. The security area has been focused for quite some time on resource application. That is on the provision of initial certificates in accordance with the IETF standards and looking at that through the APNIC boards and providing it through the services.

But that facility, the regional certificates will be seeing serious discussions about the use of the routing security and those important future areas with the activity, there's some significant activity coming up. At the same time, I think the issue of IPv4 address transfers which we also made some progress on as a community this week also has some important links into the necessity or important indications for the necessity of reliable, secured registration about IPv4 applications.

DNSSEC is something that we're hearing about more these days. IANA has announced that DNSSEC will be provided comprehensively in the next year. We are now preparing at APNIC for the deployment of DNSSEC and the support for DNSSEC amongst the members.

So, and in the Internet governance area, I'll have a few more things to say in a few minutes.

Well, right now in fact! The Internet governance, the focus on Internet governance started really gaining momentum at the world summit of the international society a few years ago. That was replaced by the Internet Governance Forum, and along with our colleagues at the other regional Internet registries, and we've got a couple of them here in this room, we're working closely together on the follow�up activities that have come out of the IGF, out of the WSIS meetings and there will be one this year and another one next year to determine how this will be an ongoing activity. But at the same time there's more and more parallel consequent Internet governance deliberations and discussions happening these days, both within the ITU sphere and also within another intergovernmental organization, so APNIC has recently started becoming active in the APEC�TEL working group and we will be attending meetings in UNESCO next month and there have been meetings this year which we attended.

The Commonwealth Telecommunications Organization is another one which we'll be attending, and of course, the ICANN meetings are continuing and we have an active role in ICANN, of course.

APNIC drafted a very comprehensive response to an ITU local survey, which was launched by the ITU. The ITU surveyed its members for information about IP address deployment along various dimensions, and our responses along the lines as the authorative source of the information. We in the regional Internet registries, both as APNIC and the NRO, we can provide information about exactly where the IP addresses have been allocated, and look at the usage and the patterns of both v4 and v6 over time, and so, we contributed to that survey quite strongly and we're following up in co�ordination again with the NRO, following up with all of the ITU member states in our respective regions to make sure that the role of the RIRs is well understood within that ITU domain.

The global policy processes go, are ongoing, again, with the other members of the NRO, and with the NRO, we're also actively involved with a number of joint communications and activities. These are things which the RIRs collectively and individually have learned for quite some time, but in the context of the Internet governance discussions, we just had a lot of pressure on us to be able to respond quickly and effectively to the v4 for information in a lot of different areas. So, for instance, a joint response to the US Government on the inquiry about the ICANN renewal is something that we spent time on. We had some plans at the moment for some accelerated promotional and international activities, around the point of which the IANA free pool reached 10%.

There's potential there as we will pass the 10% point, which is expected in a few months, for the countdown due to the exhaustion of the IANA free pool, and that will be an opportunity for ongoing promotion of awareness about the consequences of the IPv4 address pool.

In the APNIC member and stakeholder survey which I mentioned before, there's an important section of that survey which relates to the respondent priorities and preferences for the allocation of APNIC resource in different areas, so, in the area of services and communications and in technical services, we got some very good advice about priority area resource allocation. As I mentioned at the beginning of the week, we've been continuing that process and refining it in preparation for the operational planning or as part of the operational planning in 2010 and looking at the member surveys. And actively talking to many of you this week about more specifically within the resource priority areas with the research activities which have interesting value and it seems that there's a lot of information out there.

I won't go into all of these key resource allocation areas right now. This information was published six months ago as when the member survey result was released and is available on the APNIC member service website. There's some restructuring with the reporting area.

The third major part of the survey was about IPv6 deployment, and as you gathered already, the v6 deployment support activities are reaching a level of increased importance in the Secretariat for resource allocation. So, we have something for resource, and Miwa Fujii has been looking at several activities which extend well beyond the activities for address distribution for increased training and education and training and policy development and making sure that we are contributing to increased awareness, which is very much needed.

Government liaison is something that's been happening and we had some meetings in Indonesia and Hong Kong and a number of other economies in the region. We've also been attending summits. Many of the IPv6 summits which happen around the world happen in the Asia�Pacific region. There's been half a dozen or so of those in the last six months. As well as supporting the working operating groups like SANOG and so forth. We have official IPv6 training modules and you'll hear about this online self�faced learning and face�to�face learning and remote lab learning which German will be describing.

We have completed our IPv6 transitional activities. We need to practice what we preach in terms of adopting IPv6 and providing full support, so you'll see the URL here, which is one of the surveys of the technical availability of services via IPv6, and APNIC has got green check marks against all of the different metrics there for all of our IPv6 within the Secretariat and the APNIC infrastructure, and that's been quite an interesting learning process, which I think is also helping us to provide more accurate useful information through our training and other channels.

And we've been developing new informational marketing, let's say marketing materials, multimedia and so forth, providing better IPv6 support in MyAPNIC in reverse DNS delegation, for instance.

OK, so as I mentioned, we have four areas at APNIC. Each of the areas are going to be reporting now. From services, we'll see some major developments. Likewise, communications. The technical area and the business area. Before I do hand on to the next report, though, one interesting thing that we did this year which served to increase the level of, let's say "rivalry" amongst APNIC and our fellow RIRs, and we all know that competition is a good thing. APNIC joined something called the Global Corporate Challenge, which was a team�building exercise, a competition in which staff members joined teams and started walking, and the objective of the exercise was for all four of the teams to average at least 10,000 and steps a day, so there were quite a number of APNIC staff wearing pedometers and walking around in their lunchtimes and to and from and before and after work, trying to exceed 10,000 steps a day.

We had four teams and invited the other RIRs to come and compete with us. Now, in the interests of openness and transparency, we've got to announce that the winner was not APNIC, but in fact, RIPE NCC, the prima squadra of RIPE NCC, which averaged 12,652 steps.

AXEL PAWLIK: On company average, you're still ahead by 600 steps, but there's still a month to go.

PAUL WILSON: We're still ahead!

NEW SPEAKER: I believe that the ARIN team has entered the Great Wall Walks!

PAUL WILSON: So, we see the evidence of competition emerging amongst the RIRs here! Without further ado, we'll hand on to the area reports because we have a bit to go with the area managers. Thank you very much.

APPLAUSE

SANJAYA: Good morning, everyone, my name is Sanjaya and I'm the APNIC Services Area Manager. I'm here to report the service levels for the first half of the year. The highlight for the year is that our membership has grown over 2,000 members, so, it's a very healthy growth as a membership organization, and July last month, yeah, last month, was the largest month on record for new membership applications and approvals. I think this is mainly because our recent focus on non�traditional membership area. Normally, we go after the ISP, our membership comes from the network provider and we're now starting to look seriously at content providers and corporations who have large areas. And we started to promote the potential area of membership.

APNIC now averages about 1,400 plus Helpdesk enquiries per month this year, which is a 55% growth from the last year. That's a lot of work that we have to take this year. But, our membership team has been able to cope so far without additional head count.

The number of allocations of address space, this is the number of delegations, combined IPv4 and IPv6 and AS numbers is now averaging 105 per month. Last year, it was 100 per month. This is only a slight increase, and also a good indication that there has been no rush in getting more address space, even with the coming IPv4 depletion. So, people have, I think, been behaving responsibly here today. So it is business as usual for us.

Right, out of the top priorities given to us by the membership, by the stakeholders survey, APNIC services area has to handle three of them. Number one is that that is number six there. The streamlining resource request and allocation processes. Further development of resource certification to support better security, and also deploying more DNS root servers in the Asia�Pacific region. I'm going to give up an update of those.

Number six, streamlining resource requests and allocation processes. We hear you and we understand your issues here. You want the resource request to be as easy as possible, so we have new MyAPNIC features launched just last month or June, that allows members to request initial resources there which are very easy step�by�step guide. Probably three or four screens, no more, and calls for subsequent resources so you've got resources and you want more, then MyAPNIC will help you to automatically calculate the past utilizations so you don't need to calculate it yourself. It's just there. You can just apply if you're qualified. And for the new members, people who have just signed up to become APNIC members, then our integrated membership signed up and our request form is now even better.

This is a screen shot of MyAPNIC number resource request. It works like a WISDL. If you really want to see how it works, feel free to visit the service areas launch yourself and have a look yourself.

On routing security, number seven, further development of resource allocation to support better routing security. We continue refining and expanding resource certification services for MyAPNIC. Do let us know if you feel that you have ideas on how to extend the resource certification on APNIC. I'm always happy to hear and would be happy to implement new things there. And led by Geoff Huston and George Michaelson, we continue our engagement with the IETF to develop open interoperable standards for resource routing in the IETF.

All right, project number ten. Root service deployment. We deploy more in the Asia�Pacific region. I think the penetration is already very healthy now with I�Root and K�Root. But we still have one located in Taiwan and possibly one later. And, we have enhanced the services, it's more than just the root server but it looks at the test traffic measurement, which is a very useful tool to see your connectivity to other parts of the world and monitor it on a 24/7 basis, so this is in partnership with RIPE NCC. They have the service and we help to deploy the boxes. We have so far through APNIC sponsorship, and have one up already in Pakistan, and I think the people, the engineers responsible for this installation are here in this meeting. Thank you to CyberNet in Pakistan for their help.

Hong Kong has been shipped, Pakistan shipped, Bangladesh shipped, Philippines is waiting for agreement. Just this week, I had interest from Kathmandu and New Zealand. So, this is going to be an exciting deployment for us to help to strengthen the infrastructure in this region.

All right, other than that, so, this is something completely different. Something to do with getting more information back from the stakeholders. We're always keen to find new ways to get feedback from the community, and so far in the listening posts is the stakeholder surveys, the Helpdesk and the team and also in the APNIC member meetings, so I'm going to try something new here. During the meetings, sometimes we can see that we could use more interaction with the audience, and so, what I'm going to try here is to introduce SMS and web polling, which hopefully could enhance interaction with the audience in our meeting. So the audience, what is the system? SMS and web polling is a system, it's an audio response system to increased participation and audience responses.

Get your opinion on the topic at hand. Make use of laptops and mobile phones that they seem to carry all the time and it should also enable remote participants and you can see in the early days of this week, we have remote participations coming from a different part of the world, so, this will also allow people to participate. So, I'd like to try this with you at this moment. So, can you please look at me and stop checking your e�mails. Stop watching YouTube. I need the bandwidth now. Please look at me.

For those of you with laptops, can you please go to http://www.APNIC.net/poll/1.

For those who have no laptops and only have a mobile phone... oh, I'm seeing people starting to respond here. Can you send a text message to plus 61412055255. And send the number that is right next to the choice there.

OK, I'll tell you what the numbers are. If you only have a laptop send 2059. You can't do this, if you only have mobile. You obviously can't fill in this one. But if you have mobile phone only, text 2060 to that number.

If you have both laptop and mobile phone, text 2061 to that number.

As you can see, the graph moved. This is real time. Every time we receive a new vote, the graph will refresh itself. Good, now we're beginning to see some people with mobile�only here.

NEW SPEAKER: How about if you don't have anything!

SANJAYA: OK!

SANJAYA: OK, raise your hand. I was going to add the fourth option if you don't bring either laptop or mobile, but I decided to pull that out, because that's a bit hard to get your opinion on it if you don't have any.

OK

PAUL WILSON: Is there in fact anyone here who has neither a laptop nor a mobile phone with them? One? One person?

SANJAYA: 3. 1.

PAUL WILSON: Could you raise your hand just so that we can count how many people actually have not got a phone or a laptop. Just one. Thank you.

SANJAYA: OK, let's try something else. Let's go to poll number two. This will be the last one this morning. I'll run this poll again in the afternoon. Yes, Randy?

RANDY BUSH: Just to count anomalies, I'm sending SMS using Google Voice on my laptop.

SANJAYA: Oh, that's cool! Does it work!

RANDY BUSH: So, is that a laptop!

SANJAYA: It's a combination, yes!

OK, poll number two. Is your company or organization's website accessible from IPv6 networks? Be honest here. If it is a yes, text 2049. If not, text 2050.

If you're not sure, text 2051. So, if it is yes, 2049. If not, 2050, and if not here, 2051. Oh, good sign here, most of you said yes. This is really good.

If you see, it's probably a bit too small on the screen there, but if you see the X�axis, that's the number of votes received, so basically, as soon as I see the total number of votes match, you know the approximate number of audience here, I would stop the poll, basically. That's how it works. I think we're pretty much there, now. So yeah, that's all I have for today. Thank you very much for your participation. Next area, maybe? I'm finished, thank you. Thank you, everyone.

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BYRON ELLACOTT: Morning everyone, I'm the technical manager, and that was a tough act to follow. Thanks, Sanjaya. So, I'm going to talk about the top ten resource allocations that relate most directly to technical here. And number one here is research and development activities, which includes network monitoring and routing and routibility testing. Number eight, to expand to network monitoring and expand on the reporting capabilities in that area. And number nine, to develop web services with automatic exchange systems.

So, to start with, in research and development, we've been coordinating with the other RIRs on global resource certification issues to take the resource certification project that we launched earlier this year to take it to the next level and make it a global effort. We have some service DNS that we observed closely and will be able to provide, hopefully some interesting statistics at either the next meeting or the one after. We'll be doing our DNSSEC deployment, and those of you who watched the lightning talks yesterday will see that we already have interesting information about DNSSEC and what it does to a DNSSEC system when you deploy it, but we will be able to give you a much better report on what happens as you deploy it, instead of five years after the fact.

We'll also be doing an Anycast deployment and we're interested to see what that will do to the query loads. As you know, we've been doing the test traffic measurement systems and I'll skip over that since Sanjaya covered most of that. We'll move on to the day in the life project. We provided 478 gigabytes of data on the DNS packetflows which shows us what's happening in the DNS. But in terms of the Day In The Life project, it provides us and the rest of the Internet community a good idea of what's happening in the Internet in general.

In terms of automated data exchange, we'll be providing a security channel for updating reverse delegation. This will be to reverse APNIC DNSSEC signed, and I'll talk more about this as I talk about DNSSEC coming up later in the slide set. As we move forward, the two major bits that we're moving forward to is the higher availability and DNSSEC. Higher availability is increasing redundancy of the networks. Ensuring that the core systems remain available.

We've been doing a data centre network restructure to provide redundant connectivity, and this is ongoing and will be completed in the month or two after this meeting. We're using managed virtualization techniques to reduce the hardware failure taking out the services and that work is also ongoing and should be completed in the next few months. And we are significantly increasing the scope of the service availability monitoring program.

In DNSSEC, APNIC provides the binding between members' reverse DNS zones and in the in addr.arpa and ip6.arpa zones to enable DNSSEC there.

We have a three phase program to deploy DNSSEC at APNIC. The diagram we have here is the current DNS flow where we take delegation information from our members. We put them into the database, which updates our hidden master, which then updates the public DNS.

The first stage of the DNSSEC deployment will be to add a duplicate copy. At this point, we'll enter a comprehensive testing regime to say that the policies are accurate and the key managing procedures are correct and that we are successfully taking member delegations all the way through.

In the second phase, we will push from the new signing master out to the public name service, and at this point, we will have side zones out in the public DNS.

The third phase will be to take signed information from members, such that we have a complete signed flow�through from beginning to end.

So, in order to complete the chain there, APNIC members will provide secure delegation records to APNIC. And when IANA is ready, we will provide our secure delegation records to IANA. That's all from me, thank you.

GERMAN VALDEZ: It's been a very busy year for APNIC and the communication area has not been an exception. The area I represent have a lot of responsibilities that includes policy development, process, the application services, the organization of this event, the IPv6 program, the activities and sometimes people don't understand why this is? APNIC's training, there is a lot of communications. There's a lot of introductions that we need with our community and training area is sometimes the point, they are the first ones in contact with members, potential members.

In that sense, in the last member survey, we had a couple of activities there that includes training activities. I'd like to highlight those activities in my report. The first one includes � the second one as part of the top 10 is the support network in the Asia Pacific region. And we work very hard in capabilities, so members and even though members can have a great deal of access to the IPv6 testbed and education and development. This is available for any partners in the region and sometimes we go beyond the regions. A few months ago we offered training activities which is European and funded by the European Union.

And also we're working hard with partners across the region. We have a collaboration agreement with Team Cyrmu to assist with facility expert security training in the Asia Pacific region.

We held a meeting in conjunction this week, and a speaker to this training session. And, we are working with AUSCert on an alternative project.

Every time it's possible, we also get speakers, expert speakers to participate in training activities. This a continually travelling across the region, bringing the training to the different economies we're responsible for.

And we're working hard to expand those activities and we have made very good advances in two important projects, which includes eLearning, which we started to deliver the first session after the Manila meeting last February. This allowed us to brief different people in different economies through online courses.

So far, I think the training has been very successful in these eLearning sessions. And, we just started the first module of the self�paced learning, which includes the development plan that is helpful for NIRs applying for IPv4 resources.

We understand as well it's not only important to those economies where we have important number of members, we are trying to get training activities to those economies that really need help in the capacity building. In this sense, in one month's time, we're going to run the first training activity in Myanmar. Right now, we have scheduled this and are looking for other economies where we haven't been there yet, in order to bring the APNIC messages to those economies.

This is a snapshot of the self�paced eLearning. This is an example of what it looks like. This self�paced model helps people to develop the network plan in order to apply for IP resources. We are planning to extend the model of this self�paced eLearning. It can also include different aspects of the training, content we are currently delivering.

Besides these training activities that has been included as part of the priorities, we have been very busy in developing other projects inside the area. I'd like to mention a couple of them, which includes the new website. We have a new window to the world. And I'd like to go deeper on some of the activities Paul mentioned in the initial presentation.

I think at this moment most of you are already familiar with the new website. We made a very deep analysis about what changes are important to be included in the new website. According to the information, we offered what visitors are looking for. And we decided to divide these sections in five tabs which includes services, community, events, communications and the main home page, which includes an easy way to access the main activities we're running at the moment, we are prioritizing our activities. It's an easy way to access all services. And also easy way to access the announcements and news we are developing.

This is a snapshot of the new services area. We revamped the way our members have access in all services. In this particular section, the ones that had the highest priority to deliver access to members.

And we also revamped the APstats information. And I really like to invite you to go through to our new website, take a look at this. We are looking for feedback in order to improve our window to the world.

In general aspects as well, we revamped the training section, so we can include access to the updated course that we're offering. And also the self�training process, the self�training module and the eLearning module that we're promoting across the region.

And of course the IPv6 program. I think each RIR has been trying to develop an IPv6 section. APNIC's not an exception. And we are working very hard to bring the most updated information about the deployment of IPv6 in Asia Pacific region.

So I'd really like to invite you to have a look at our website. And we work hard in the events calendar, which includes not only APNIC activities but activities and events across the world.

The beginning of 2009, we have been very active and an expanded membership of APNIC across the region. We have worked and developed partnerships with seven different organizations. The networkers Society of Pakistan. The Philippines Network Operators Group. The Advanced Science and Technology Institute. The BII Group in Beijing. The Taiwan Network Information Centre. The National Advanced IPv6 Centre of Excellence. We understand that these partnerships are quite important for APNIC in order to explain the activities APNIC is trying to get to through the region.

And, we understand APNIC is no longer a technical organization, at least in an exclusive way. The Internet has become a very important and critical issue for different sectors. And the public sector has been quite interested in what the RIRs are doing and how the RIRs are functioning? We're working very close with governments and organizational institutions to talk to them about how the IPv6 system works. And we're working with a telecommunications group. And, we are helping APEC to develop this, and it will be part of the APEC Tel 40 meeting in Mexico. This will be in coordination with an APNIC member. And, we are expanding our activities with the Commonwealth Communications Centre. And we have a meeting in Fiji next month.

We don't stop. We are constantly moving. We are constantly working, and not only for the technical community, but also to expand our relationship with the public sector.

And that's it. Thank you.

APPLAUSE

RICHARD BROWN: Good morning, everyone. Richard Brown, business area manager from APNIC. Just like to give you my report today.

The activities the business area focus around three core areas. It's finance and administration. Our human resource management. And commercial and risk management activities.

There are a lot of core operational activities that we provide that continue to service APNIC and the members, but today I want to highlight some of the more project�based activities we've undertaken. In finance and administration, we've done a significant amount of work on the new fee schedule, supporting the work done by KPMG and of course helping the EC with modelling of new fee schedules, to help them in their decision�making process.

We identified some issues in our business continuity program that identified some applications that needed to be moved into a more secure environment. And we've moved our payroll in to a hosted environment.

Given the changing economic circumstances from when we did the budget last year, we did a fairly extensive reforecasting exercise to ensure that our finances aligned with our budget submission, and we're going to achieve the budget we had approved for 2009, and, of course, we continue to have a strong focus on financial control, ensuring that we have robust internal policies.

What are we undertaking at the moment? There's a large piece of work involved in implementing the 2010 fee schedule, so that we're up and running from January 1. We obviously need to develop some applications and some of our modelling tools to support this new fee schedule to help us develop our budget submission for next year. And working with Irene and the finance team on a budget submission for the EC to approve later on this year. And, of course, at the end of the year we'll move into our full�year reporting and our external audit.

In human resources, activities completed in the first half of the year � we implemented a new performance�management application, called Appraisal Smart, which has really helped us get a better handle on ensuring that our staff have their regular performance appraisals and it helps us to identify training needs and we've seen a significant improvement in that part of the business. We're focused on reducing leave balances. It's something that in the audit report a couple of years ago was identified and we've made significant inroads in this area.

We continue to provide training opportunities and development opportunities for our staff. We focus on developing robust recruitment policies to ensure that we have the best staff at APNIC. And, of course, part of the business continuity project that we worked on required us to do a significant amount of work around our workplace health and safety and there was a large amount of training required for staff involved in that activity.

What are we working on at the moment? Well, we're going to further enhance our performance�management application, include a peer feedback module. So that will help people understand their working relationships. We're going to develop a complex HR plan for 2010 as part of our planning process. We've reinvigorated our ecoAPNIC initiative and we have a number of staff who have volunteered to be part of this group which meets regularly to discuss environmental issues, how APNIC is a responsible corporate citizen in that respect but also just improving communication and providing an opportunity for staff to get together and discuss broader issues around the environment.

We're looking at working with the other RIRs on an exchange program for staff.

We continue to provide health and lifestyle education for our staff. And as Paul mentioned before, we had nearly 50% of our staff take part in the global corporate challenge, which has been a very good thing.

Commercial management. The first half of the year we've identified some key finance processes that we lacked a little redundancy, particularly around payroll, we've done a lot of work in that area. We've done some work on considering the impact on APNIC in relation to the transfer policy implementation. Working with John Earls, we're developing a planning framework which will help us have a structured robust training program going forward. And as part of this process, we've done workshops with all the staff to try and give us a better feel for how the organization is. And we've done some work around the evaluation of some office refurbishment options to accommodate APNIC going forward.

What are we currently working on? We're planning on having the final audit of our BCP in the second half of this year. We're about 95% of the way there. We're just finalizing our IT disaster recovery plans at the moment. We plan to finish that in the next month or so. Operational planning � this activity will continue some of the work around this meeting is that John, Connie and myself are building on work already done in the members' survey and getting further feedback from members of the community, stakeholders, about some of those issues that we can take into account when we do our planning workshops.

And of course we plan to move on for our operational plan from there. We'll be finalizing and validating our objectives, developing our activity plan for resource requirements from next year and beyond. We develop a budget submission for 2010. And, of course, we'll be documenting and communicating that plan to the staff and APNIC community. Thank you very much.

APPLAUSE

MAEMURA AKINORI: If you have any questions or comments, please go up to the microphone.

PAUL WILSON: So, as Akinori said, if there are any questions from anyone about any of the reports, now is a good time, but you can wait later if you'd like to speak to us individually or raise any questions in the open mic opportunities later in the day.

There's one more report here, which is from the Secretariat. It's being done separately because this is a separately funded separate project activity of the Secretariat. I'd like to take you quickly through the information society innovation fund � the ISIF Grants Program. This is being separately funded as an activity that the Secretariat is carrying out for the International Development Research Centre.

So the program, ISIF, is a grants program which is aimed at stimulating solutions in ICT development in the region with particular emphasis on the Internet. And its effects in social and economic development. It's related to the recent discussions and need for the more effective development of what's being called the Information Society, a society in developing countries in particular which is using all the advantages of the information and technology that is available to us. We're working in this program with partners including the IDRC, which is a Canadian�based large international development company. And the ISOC and .Asia. There are four programs all contributing some funding tine a pool which is then redistributed to small, by way, or in the form of small grants for these innovative development projects.

APNIC actually has two roles. We are both a founding partner in the program and a contributor but we're also the providing the Secretariat for this program. This is where we are actually funded by the IDRC to provide the Secretariat service to the grants program. That's a fairly challenging thing. We've got four partners to look at. We've got to deal with. We've got the management of the grants funding pool. We've got the entire application process, the review process, the support of a committee which reviews grants and so on and so forth.

So the reason we're doing this, it's in line very much with the results we've had from APNIC surveys in the past which have said supporting research which helps with Internet development is an important priority for APNIC.

Also, at the same time, outsourcing and working with other parties and partners in the region is a good thing for us to do as well. It's certainly in line with my own aim, which is not that APNIC Secretariat as a head office should be continually trying to take on new activities solely within those walls, but also the more we should be working wherever we can to distribute the resources and work with others so the resources can be used effectively around the region.

So this program started with the first call for applications in late 2008 and a round has been conducted earlier this year. During the first round of applications, there were 140 applications from small grants which came from 22 different economies all around the region, all developing economies of the region, very well represented. And also on a wide range of interesting topics to do with Internet development. So it could have been applications development, it could have been development of resource centres, various different online platforms, training and infrastructure and in particular VoIP and wireless. And they came from 22 different economies and from a wide range of all sorts of different organizations. The first round had a really good level of interest and support.

Out of the 148 it was a challenge to pick the 11 projects which were successfully selected to receive these small grants of up to $30,000. And there were 11 projects from eight different economies. Also representing a good range of different subjects and a good range of different institutions or organizations of applicants who were receiving the funding.

The total grants awarded across those were $322,000 US. Not all of that has been allocated yet because the projects are still ongoing. Approximately 50% of that funding has been allocated. These projects are all under way at the moment with the first technical and financial reports being received and reviewed by the partners.

As I say, this is a separate, it's a separate project, so it has a separately tracked financial status but as it's something the Secretariat itself has been involved in assisting with, I think it's important that the membership have access to this information and are able to review it and ask questions and so forth.

The total grant involved in the first year in running the Secretariat was $242,000, of which most has been expensed � I think I may have those two figures reversed there because there is a small surplus out of the grant. The funds available, as I say, $320,000 or so, and about half of it dispersed.

As you see, the ratio of administrative costs versus the actual grants distributed is really quite high. This is the nature of running a small grants program with an active development component to it. Some of these funds were spent on flying all of the grant recipients to a workshop, which would help them to further develop the projects they were proposing and fulfil the reporting and output expectations of the projects. So there's quite a lot of extra energy, extra funding and resource put in to making sure the program is a success. The important thing about this program is all of the administrative activities are funded quite separately by IDRC. The partners who contribute funds are seeing 100% of those funds going to grants.

There's been a call for applications for 2010 and that closed in July and it was even bigger. We've got 207 applications from 24 different economies. From a whole range of economies, from a whole range of different applicants and institutions. And they're going to be reviewed and shortlisted during the next couple of months with a workshop, again to develop the proposals to perfection before they're actually launched. That will be going on in the next year, again under some funding APNIC will receive to provide the support. For more information, there's a website. It's designed by the APNIC team under the funding arrangement. And you can find all the information there.

I will mention that all of the partners in ISIF are interested in minding more sources of funding and support for the program. If there's anyone in the audience here who has some ideas about either their own organizations making contributions or where some contributions might come from, they'll be very gratefully received.

As I said, that's how you can be involved in helping to support and grow ISIF or watching out for the next round of funding, which will be launched in around or announced in around nine months from now during 2010.

And that's all I had about ISIF. So thanks very much and back to the chair.

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MAEMURA AKINORI: This is the report from the Secretariat. And now we're inviting our treasurer, Kuo Wei Wu, to make his treasury report.

KUO WEI WU: Good morning, everyone. And I have two reports. The first one is a financial report update. And the second one is fee structures. I'll go for financial update first.

The financial status of the 2009, the year to date June 2009 financials report surplus is $218,000 Australian dollars. And expenditure is $5.4 million. And revenue is $5.7 million. Member status is 2,000 as at June 30 2009. And we have membership growth increase.

Right now we do the full�year projections. We project a profit about $19,000. So you can see quite balanced on the financial status. The projected expenditure is about $11.66 million. 3.3% below the budget. The revenue will be around $11.68 million, 3.4% below the budget. So our financial status roughly about balanced.

The operational profit you can see over here. And this is the balance sheet for June 30 of 2009, you can see the assets. We have a little bit of the assets, about 4.9% increase.

And you can download this paper copy. There's a print laminated version in the Secretariat office that you can pick up. But you're free to go to the website to put it in the version you want. OK. Any questions about the financial updates? OK, if you don't have questions about the financial update, I will go on to talking about APNIC fee structure report.

I think first of all, you might know the fee structure already published announcement on the website. And I think most of you already see it on the website. And I just like to make a little bit of the report to let you know what is the process of this fee structure in the last almost several years.

Before that, I will let you know APNIC annual revenues and the expenses analysis. You can see in � I think before 2006 � we are using US dollar and after the New Delhi meeting we transferred the payment from the US dollar to Australian dollars. So, I think many thanks for the Secretariat office to help me to convert those of the income and expenditure from US dollar to Australian dollars, so we can see the consistency of this data.

And you can see before the 2002, APNIC run a very good surplus in our revenue and expenditures. But after the 2003, we actually every year we're running a very balanced budget and some years we have even lost. For example, in 2007 and 2008 we actually ran lost in our financial status.

Even we have a very solid growth in our membership. You can see every year we have more than 10% of the increase in the number of the memberships. I put down those ratios so you can take a look. For example, in the revenue, in the last from 1997 to 2008, we are almost increased about 10% roughly. And in 2002 and 2003, we have come down in the 94%, because you know that Australian dollar is getting very strong against the US dollar, so our revenue is not increase, but after 2004 because our member continue to grow by more than 10, even 20% of the increased our member, so we can use the new member income to accomplish our revenue increase.

As you know, when we increased the member, the APNIC office, we need to provide more service to our member, particularly for some of the new different areas. We need to concentrate more education and service to them. So in that case you can see our expenditure, Australian dollar or US dollar, no matter, every year we roughly the expense is about 10% increased every year.

And you can see the assets after the 2002, the assets, we are now increased some of the year, the assets actually coming down compared with previous years. So this is a number you know the situation why we begin to talking about fee structure study. And here's a history of the fee structure. As you know, we started fee structure in 1996. In June, the fee structure established and at that time we only have three different member tier � small, medium, and large. And by August, we introduced another tier called 'very large'. And from 2001, we introduced three new tier � associate, very small and extra large. At the time, as you know, we have at this moment we have seven member tiers. OK.

And then you can see by 2006, we acknowledgment at AMM, that the fees will have to change to match the APNIC expenditures. So in 2006, in August, we actually tried to form the APNIC fee structure or the working group. I think that is in the Taiwan meetings and we have a chair by Ming�Cheng Liang and Randy. And March 2007, the fees discussion at APNIC 23. And the feedback from the community collected was some of the issues the members raised about it. For example, the people say is it possible to change the fee structure to be a continual fee? The second is a restructure of the NIR fees based on LIR membership or something like that. And historical data combined in to the fee structure. And charging non�members using the same fee structure as APNIC members. And, also, I think you know the people talking about is it possible to give the discount for least developed countries.

And in May 2007, we asked the KPMG to give us a fee structure study, so we can have the working group also from a professional consultant to help us working on the fee structures. By 2007, the APNIC EC and the working group meet briefly with KPMG to get a scope of the study. We tried to propose a working group and we agree and we tried to recommend a 7% increase of the overall membership fee is not approved. But by October, we moved payment from the US dollar to the Australian dollar because all our offices in Brisbane, all the expense is in Australia. It would be much easy for them to control the financial situations.

In the 2008 of July EC, we also go on to follow study by the KPMG. By December, the KPMG submit a fee structure survey submitted to EC. And in February of 2009, there actually is in Manila, we published the KPMG report on the website for the people to comment. So, by April, we received 11 comments on the KPMG. And the comments are including the people favour no change to the fee. And also we have some comments about the EC proposal. And also people talking about the fee structure calculation is a lower start point, higher start point. The favour a increase. And in favour of a low NIR premium. And some people is no comment � in favour of keeping per address fee or something like that.

So, the EC follow on after the April, we are going to almost around three months discussion through email and working on this fee structure. And so by May, we undertake further analysis on the fee structure model. By June, we published a new APNIC fee structures. So I think this is the whole process you can see is from 2006 is a long process.

We tried to use a continuous model. And before this consideration, I let you know you can see in the past, every year the expenditure of the APNIC is increased by about 10%. But this year with the new fee structure we actually limit, we tried to accomplish the APNIC expenditure is a control under the 5%. So we do our best to make sure the expenditure is not under the regular period. But, at the same time, we ask in the APNIC office to try to make sure the expenditure can be controlled under the 5%. So I think this is a very key to go on the fee structure calculation background and all factors.

So this is somewhat of an issue. We try to lower, we try our best to lower the payment for the small member. Also, particularly for the least developing countries, you can see a 50% discount. And you will see some of the very small and small member, some of them are in the very small, if I remember, is about 50% of the very small member will pay less. And about 30% of the small member will be paid less, compared, based on original fee structure. And, of course, the large member will pay more because I think during the fee structure study, we're talking about per address fee compared with small member and large member, per address fee is a little bit advantage to the large member. So we try to balance this out.

And, also, we take off the per address fee. Some of the large member and NIRs complain, so we take that fee off. So in the future we don't have extra on the per address fee in your annual fee.

So, that is a factor and that is the background the EC is thinking about. We get a consensus agreed new fee structures and we published it about one or two months ago. So this is some analysis for you to share. This is the current APNIC fee structure. Sorry, structure, not schedule. So you can see kind of the step functions. The new fee structure you can see there is the new fee structure for the regular member, for the regular member is a red line. The red line is a regular member. So you can see in the very small and small member will pay less compared with previous fee structures. But a large member you can see would be more compared with what you pay in the previous original fee structure. And the blue line is the least developing countries because we give them 50% off.

So you can see the least developing countries there, they can get help to help them to get, to be a member.

The NIR is the green line on the top, because they are premium, and ask an NIR to pay more compared with a regular member. You can see the green line starts from /16 because all the NIR, the smallest NIR member actually is medium. We don't have a small or very small NIR. Also, this is including for confederation members. So you can see the line is something like that.

This is the fee structure you're paying. But I like to show you another chart, it's a per address fee, and then you can see the differences. Again, the red line is a regular member. Per address fee they pay. So you can see they pay from the /24, the very small per address they pay about $4. And down to something like 0.001 per address. And you can see the blue line, it is the least developing countries and they pay even lower than the regular member. For an NIR, you can see they pay more but look at the per address fee. In January, the NIR or confederation member, the most that they pay is about $0.25 per address. And down to $0.007. We can narrow the list a little bit compared with the regular member and the NIR or large members. So I think this is, we try our best to accomplish this new fee structure and that is my presentation.

And the new fee structure will be started on January 1 of 2010 next year. And for the payment process, I will ask Paul Wilson to give you a little bit of an explanation, because some of you, you are now pay by January 1 and how to process, I think Paul will give you more explanation on that.

PAUL WILSON: Thanks. It seems there might have been a couple of questions about the impact in terms of the standard process for invoicing and payment of membership fees. I just wanted to mention that the APNIC membership fee is payable on an annual basis on the renewal date which could happen at any time during the year. The only time a member will feel a change is at the time of their renewal date, which could be anywhere from January 1, 2010, to December 31, 2010. So if you're renewing later in the year, then you'll move on to the new fee structure when, at that time, when the renewal comes around.

I might also mention that because of the way that the income from APNIC membership revenue is accounted, the revenue that is received under the new fee structure or from any member, in fact, is accounted for in the 12 months following the renewal. So, in fact, this does make it a little challenging in that we're going to have renewals on to the new fee structure over the next 12 months over the course of 2010 and the full effect for all members won't be received until another 12 months after that.

Combine that with the fact we have a fairly unpredictable environment at the moment, and a 24�month period between the onset of a new structure and the full effect of it being recognized and felt in accounts. We will, as the EC, have to keep a close eye on the effect of the fee structure changes and the changing environment as time goes on. And I think it's been well recognized on the EC and, in fact, suggested by the membership that a more regular review of fees will be a welcome thing rather than a large change happening on an infrequent basis. But that's not to say in any sense that fee increases are expected. But the situation does need to be monitored. I hope that helps. Thanks.

KUO WEI WU: Any questions for the fee structure report?

IZUMI OKUTANI: I think Geoff mentioned in policy SIG yesterday that historical address fee will also be � historical resources also will be charged. So I suppose if you're an APNIC account holder and you receive regular standard allocations and you have historical address space, then all of it will be combined as your address holdings?

KUO WEI WU: Actually, I heard that, so I checked with the APNIC office. And they told me because in the very beginning for the fee structure, we are talking about per address holding. So that is the answer to me. All address holding. That is including the historical data, yes.

IZUMI OKUTANI: Yes. I assume that will probably apply to NIRs as well?

KUO WEI WU: Yes.

IZUMI OKUTANI: Thanks for the clarification. Another question is I think the rate of this fee structure itself is quite reasonable, but would like to understand why APNIC thinks this came up with fee structure in regards to the kind of expenses you're expecting and how it would help to sustain APNIC's operation?

KUO WEI WU: Actually, as I was saying in the presentations, the very important thing is how, because you see the KPMG formula. The KPMG formula you have several factors you can change to just how the fee structure will be suitable for all the members. And we must have a very key to decide how we can control APNIC expense.

So in the very beginning, we actually in our discussion, we like to know for 2010, in 2010, how much we allow APNIC expense to increase. We know this is 2009 is a very bad year � the financial crisis. So we told APNIC, we knew, in the past we have about 10% to 50% increase every year but we cannot do it this time because we cannot present to our member.

So we asked APNIC to control the expense down to 5%. Once the 5% is set up, then there are only two factors you need to work on. One factor is initial value. Another one is factor value numbers.

And the next step we're thinking about, if you put the initial value down, that would put the small member pay less and you are coming down in the very low value. But if the factor is too high, that would be really sharp growth. So we try to move this drop in a reasonable space. So I think we need to, we try to control the expense from the expense point of view. I think from 2010 I think for APNIC it would be very challengeable in the financial status. And, of course, a couple of reasons. The first reason because of the income from the assimilation is only about 5% increase. But don't forget, this year I think we have a very possible have another 10% of the member increase. So the service to our member would be roughly about 10% increase, like the education or some of the service like that.

So that is a balance that we try to accomplish. So, I think we tried to do our best and to meet the regular member, the NIR member and the least developing countries can be acceptable in this sense. That's what I can say to answer your questions. Any other comments?

MAEMURA AKINORI: If any other comments or questions? If not, OK, thankyou very much.

KUO WEI WU: Thank you.

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MAEMURA AKINORI: After the report, there will be election speeches from the candidates. The procedures will be explained by Paul Wilson and then candidates will be invited for the first stage.

PAUL WILSON: Just excuse me, just discussing timing issues because I think we're running a little late. We may ask the candidates to delay their speeches until after the coffee break. In the meantime, I will take us quickly through the NRO election procedure.

This is something that happens at this time each year. We have election for the candidate who will sit for the next two years on the NRO Number Council, which is the ASO Address Council as well. So the APNIC meeting each year elects that one person to fill that one vacant seat. This seat will be open from the end of this year for a 2�year term until the end of 2011. So far, we've had a call for nominations in accordance with the standard procedure, and that ended on July 28 2009 and we've had online voting available over the last several weeks. And we're having the onsite voting here.

Just to remind you and to explain the voting entitlement, particularly for anyone who may not have seen the election process before. The online voting, which as I mentioned, has been opened since August 12, is available through MyAPNIC to APNIC members on the basis of one vote per member.

The onsite voting is paper�based voting and it's available today. Open until the end of lunch time, 2pm today. And the entitlement is one vote to each registered individual person attending this meeting.

If you don't have a ballot paper, you need to collect one from the registration desk and you need to be registered for this meeting. The ballot paper looks like this. I'm showing it on the screen here. Everyone who wishes to vote should have one of these ballot papers. The ballot paper allows you to put a single cross against the candidate of your choosing and as you can see, there are five candidates there. Please do it carefully so that your intention is clear. That's just one mark against your preferred candidate, a cross in the box.

I think each of the ballot papers is also stamped to show its validity � is that correct, APNIC staff? Check your ballot paper has a stamp on it as well because when the ballots are counted, on the stamped ballot papers will be counted.

OK, please as I say, do it carefully. The onsite voting will be open until, as I say, until the end of lunch time at 2pm. What I do need to do is ask for some volunteers to help with the vote count. And I would like volunteers who do not intend to vote at the election � do I have any in a position to volunteer? Cathy, Nigel? OK. That should be sufficient. Thong very much for that. As usual, we'll need you to assemble when you have the chance, at the coffee break, for instance, to discuss how you're going to do this.

As I said, I think we're running overtime a little. We do have an opportunity for the election candidates to speak. Anyone who is in the room and who is available to speak can have the chance to do so but I think we'll leave that until after the coffee break.

In the meantime, the candidates are on the APNIC website with their, the full details of their nominations and so forth. So if you'd like to have a look over the coffee break, you can also look up the meeting website to find the details of the candidates. Are there any questions about the election before we break for morning coffee? No. OK. Thank you.

Friday, 28 August 2009 � 1100�1230

SRINIVAS CHENDI: OK, we're going to start. Please come inside and take your seats.

AKINORI MAEMURA: OK. We would like to resume the meeting very soon. Please come back to the room! To be prepared.

SRINIVAS CHENDI: They won't hear, there's no speakers outside the room.

AKINORI MAEMURA: Sunny says there's no speakers outside there to hear my voice.

OK, let's get down to the next session. The next session, we'll be starting with the speech from the candidate for NRO NC election. So first, Anshul Gupta. Mr Gupta here? Or his supporter? Or his friends? If not, I'm going next. It's Cooper Lees. Are you there? Are you here? Friends? Or supporters? If not, I'm going to the next, Hassan Zaheer? Hassan Zaheer? His friends or supporters? If not, we're going to the next. Mr Kenny Huang. I'm sure he's here.

KENNY HUANG: Thank you very much. I'll be very short. Don't worry about the timing. That's my brief looking at Internet community facet. I'm with TWNIC and the common organization reform committee and the report executive in Taiwan, and also, I was a Policy SIG chair in APNIC.

That's part of the contributions to the APNIC community. I was the Policy SIG chair since APNIC 14 to APNIC 23.

The contributions to the global address community. We have three proposals to ICANN and modified to ICANN. And the contribution to the IETF RFC was published.

So, to summarize, on the policy administration track record including 117 address policy proposals were conducted during my internship. And during 25, APNIC policies were implemented. Three global policies were ratified by ICANN. OK, that's all my presentation. Thank you.

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AKINORI MAEMURA: Very quick, thank you very much, Kenny. And next is Sureswaran Ramadass. He's here. Yes, he's here. Thank you very much, he's coming up to the stage.

SURESWARAN RAMADASS: I won't take more than ten minutes. I hold a couple of positions, I've highlighted some of the positions on the board. I'm actually a Professor at the University of Science in Malaysia, and I lead a group, a group of about 60 researchers. The researchers, including staff members, focus on next generation Internet technologies, but with special natures. We don't do the general stuff. And one of the things that we have been lately involved in is a lot of Internet governance work.

So, some of the things that I could potentially contribute to the NRO. It's really trying to increase more awareness of Internet governance and trying to get more students involved. If you look at all of the Internet governance meetings, you'll eventually realize that the group that's attending the meetings is usually almost the same groups. There are, of course, newcomers coming in, but a lot of students, a lot of the younger generation, they're not so involved in Internet governance, and if you actually ask them the details, they don't even know. Even I, myself, am learning, and Miwa gave me a small session yesterday at lunch on the policies and the way that even APNIC meetings run. So, these are things that a lot of people on the outside, especially in the academic world are not aware of.

And you're not aware of it, because if you look at the universities, there's not a lot of programs in the universities that talk about Internet governance. And creating a post graduate environment for such exchange of ideas and to be able to support APNIC RIRs and NROs when making decisions, it could also be a place where such a thing can be thrown to. So, if it is thrown to, so, if I'm there, what I would do is throw it to the students and give them projects, for example, to work on it, to give deeper thought, as I mentioned earlier, into proposals and policies which have been put forward. To look into all aspects of it, not just one or two. As technical people, we tend to always look at very technical aspects, but as the centre, we tend to do it slightly differently.

We tend to look at everything, because the centre is tied into every other discipline that is there within the university from the legal aspect of things to the medical aspect of things, to the social implications of anything that we try to do. So, we tie in with the school of social sciences. We tie in with the legal departments in other universities. We tie in with Internet governance people from around the world, and we have such discussions with them. So, what comes out, usually, is a much more detailed thought into paper on any such policies that would come up. And also, it creates an environment for free thinking so people can come in and express. Even new thoughts that may seem radically different, but it is there, and people can work on it, people can look into it, and people can say, hey, you know what, why didn't we think of that.

And I've had some very interesting comments. The last one was last week when I was in an elevator in my hotel in Bangkok, and I was coming down the elevator and I met a scientist, an atomic physics scientist and we decided to sit down and have breakfast together. And he had a concept of actually throwing fiber�optics, not underground or not under the sea, but through space in a circle. And at first, it seems outrageous, but when you listen, and he is a well�published scientist. If you listen to the concept of it, it is actually a very ingenious concept. And things like this, if it comes into a grouping where we can now start looking deeper into it, we can actually do that. So, what I would bring about is a team of 60 people � not just me, but a team that would actually give very deep thought into what we're doing and what we like to do and what we can contribute through this team and knowledge and expertise to support the NRO and the RIRs.

And actually, it doesn't have to be � if I get elected anyway, even if we're not, I would gladly still continue and contribute our knowledge and our capabilities.

In terms of... one of the areas that we've worked on was with the national IPv6 centre, so that's been one of the focus areas. German just now mentioned that we've been doing a lot of training and we have an MoU with APNIC on training as well, and we established the world's first certified IPv6 network engineer program, still currently the only one. So, what we do is proper certification courses over anywhere from 5�10 days for engineers where they have to actually go through. Theory hands�on, and an examination, and then they are certified. The certification is recognized by all of the global IPv6 bodies, so they can actually go anywhere in the world with the certificate and be recognized. We've also put together a very unique way of addressing countrywide IPv6 implications.

We started the project in 2002. We didn't just look at hodge podge and the Government�led initiated funded and through lots of discussions, almost one and a half to two years with all different agencies, Government agencies, implementation agencies, research agencies, ICT agencies and even the banking sector. We chartered out a comprehensive road map plan for the entire Malaysia IPv6 rollout, and this was then carried out comprehensively again in a complete manner, and today, we have a global � sorry, a global countrywide effort in terms of the IPv6 rollout. So it has a buy�in of every single person in Malaysia, every single person in Malaysia has a buy in. So we have suggested to APNIC that we can help with bringing the idea to other countries as well through APNIC.

We're currently doing it with other United Nations affiliated organizations as well, and the last thing again, I want to close off my little speech is by saying that we wish to look at this more as an NRO RIR APNIC exercise, but together with the academy and to be able to move things in a slightly different manner as well with the involvement, the deeper involvement of the academy. Thank you.

APPLAUSE

AKINORI MAEMURA: Thank you very much. This is all of the speeches from the candidates. And... if anyone hasn't had the ballot paper, please run up to the registration to get it. And then the White Paper distribution is soon closed.

And that will need to be through into the ballot box, also in the registration desk, which is closing at 2 pm. Right?

PAUL WILSON: Yes.

AKINORI MAEMURA: and then, please never fail to give your vote to the ballot box. Thank you very much.

OK, the next agenda here is the MoU signing with CNNIC. So, I think he is now getting ready, Mr Mao Wei.

Now the MoU is being signed between APNIC and CNNIC. Mr Mao Wei from CNNIC and Mr Paul Wilson, Director General of APNIC.

You will find that the partnership and the collaboration for the Internet development and promotion.

APPLAUSE

All right. Next, it's my report. OK, here I am giving you the EC report. APNIC EC members in...

Sorry, in the year 2009, sorry 2008, the EC members, please stand up to show your faces to the membership. Myself, Akinori Maemura from Japan. I am the chair of the EC. Kwo Wei Wu. James Spenceley there from Australia. Jian Zhang. And Hung Jun Kwon.

And we have a change in the membership for 2009. We had three other members in the year 2008 from Mao Wei. He was on the stage, and mentioned Kusumba Sridhar from India. And we welcome the others. This is a big change. The function of the APNIC EC is the interim decisions between member meetings. The oversight of the activities of APNIC to consider broad Internet policy issues for APNIC's strategic direction. To establish the basis of the budget for the membership approval. To set membership dues and to endorse the policy consensus towards implementation.

Then, the EC meetings since APNIC, the last APNIC meeting, we have a lot of things unchanged from the previous slide I mean. APNIC 27 instead of APNIC 26. Sorry, again. We have, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 meetings. And then we had two meeting and the 21st is just a normal regular meeting and we had some more discussion. It is especially for the fee structure change in May 26. And the meeting minutes is open and available for your request, and visit our website at www.apnic.net/ec.

The year 2009 financial status, already reported by the Treasurer. So I'll skip that.

And then the APNIC fees � it's already, it has already been reported by the Treasury report. The EC has completed the study of the membership fees and we had a call for comments for the study and again, we considered about that, and finalized and announced it in June 15. And this new fee schedule will be adopted on January 1 2010.

Membership � APNIC finally... has the members of the 2,000 people. It is a big number. And now we have the 2,030. A bit more than 2,000. And the membership voting, we had a BoF on Tuesday, we had a BoF on Tuesday and we might have some changes in the voting structure because the change was in the fee structure and now the fee structure. The new fee structure will be effective from the year 2010 with a quite continuous model and there's no ceiling cap for the membership fee. So, in that case, because the current voting structure is quite aligned with the membership fee, which is the step function for each category from the associates to the extra large and see the fee structure. And then in the membership voting BoF, we presented in front of the audience, the four options which is the quite small change and change...

...the same as the new fee structure, which is the continuous voting count and some flutter structure with the voting from 1�10 with quite a narrow voting number, or one vote and problem voting structure.

We have considered the APNIC Secretariat, but we think that we might have some more very good ideas or that the members might have quite big ideas in the future.

But this is the first time to propose you to voting structure change because this is the first time to present to you about the voting structure change. So, I think the membership needs to have some more time to consider about that and then, according to the by�laws, the fee membership dues, largely it is the membership fees can be determined by the Executive Council. Voting numbers are not the case. So, it is the... it should be changed by the determination of the membership. So, in the BoF, there is one consensus that we should have a mailing list and set up the mailing list to discuss about the voting structure. Then, we will receive that for some discussion and I would directly invite you to the active participation for the discussion.

And so that the APNIC EC can compile a quite valid proposal for the new voting structure.

Policy endorsement is one of the major functionalities of the EC that the EC is doing, and one proposal has been endorsed by the EC this half a year, and that was prop�069. The global policy for the allocation of IPv4 blocks to the RIRs. Because, because this is the global policy, we need to wait for the certification for the other RIRs.

On the other hand, this is a rare case and we rejected the policy proposal which has come to the consensus, which was the prop�050. Which is also, again proposed in this APNIC 28.

Actually, prop�050 was reached through a consensus in an onsite meeting which was the APNIC 27, but throughout the last period, we have some discussions there, and finally the EC cannot see a very clear consensus in favour with the policy. And then, it is also noted the proposal has in general, the significant concerns within the community relating to the adequacy of the safeguards against the potential abuse as a consequence of the implementation of this policy.

Now, these are the reasons why the EC did not endorse this prop�050 at the time. And then, the prop�050 again proposed in APNIC 28, and as you know, that reached consensus at the Policy SIG, which is again reported for the confirmation of the consensus in the AMM later.

APNIC survey � this is done every other year, and John Earls of KPMG conducted the membership and the stakeholder survey. The survey is an important apparent of the activity planning service and a service priority for APNIC. The EC has already published a response to the survey and it is already available from the website, I think. And setting the service objectives and the priorities for the forthcoming two years, which are the resource priorities of R and D, training, basic deployment and support. Service quality improvement, and improvements in the training and the meeting support, and liaison with the key stakeholders across the region. And I extend this opportunity to say thank you to all who assisted the survey throughout the year with your comments and suggestions.

Thank you very much.

That's all from my EC report. If you have any questions or comments? I'm glad to answer. Then again, the EC has its website. It is www.APNIC.net/ec. You can see in the photo of the EC members and also a lot of materials, including the EC meeting minutes. So, please visit and let us know your comments, if you have any. Thank you very much.

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SRINIVAS CHENDI: Next report is from Axel Pawlik.

AXEL PAWLIK: All right. Good morning. As you see Adiel Akplogan and I'm chairman of... no, he had to go and he asked me to give this. So I'll run through this and you'll see that what is the NRO. It is looking for the purposes of protecting the unallocated address pool to promote and protect the bottom�up policy development process and to basically be a vehicle for when entry point into the RIR system. The focal point there. Formally, we also act as the ASO within the ICANN frame work according to the MoU from 2004.

We do rotate offices every year, so currently, the chair is Adiel. I'm the secretary. Raul is the Treasurer and next year we'll change it over and inform you of what. We have a couple of co�ordination groups, also to help to establish a little bit of formalism and structure to how the RIRs work together in the areas of engineers and the areas of communication and also public affairs, so that's the PCG there, of which Paul is the chair.

Also, for a very long time, we have a very nice spreadsheet that is based on the amount of addresses allocated and basically RIR turnover and stuff like that, which gives us a weighted formula to contribute to, first of all the ICANN budget, but also to split the joint cost, NRO cost among the RIRs. We have agreed at some point of time by letter exchange with ICANN to agree to contribute to the budget and to continue to do that, what we've done for a long time. It's $823,000 that's more or less a customary figure now. We have renewed this agreement earlier this year, I think, by a repeated letter exchange. Basically, the letter says that we like ICANN, they do good things. We contribute to them and the ICANN letter basically says the same about the RIRs � especially that they recognize that the RIR authority is coming through the bottom�up process and within their areas.

OK, we do have a bit of a intermittent activity with the governmental advisory committee at the ICANN meetings. We missed that at the last meeting in Sydney, but we'll pick that up for Seoul in October this year. Basically, there we go and relay to the governmental representatives there, and the ICANN attendees and the ICANN board attendees. What we have been doing and we answer questions and usually that goes well and has had the NRO and the RIRs jointly quite a bit with visibility there.

Good. Oh, the IGF. The Internet governance forum, that's a great thing. So, we have been very active in all of the IGFs so far. Personally speaking, I attended the first one in Athens with a bit of trepidation not quite knowing how this was going to go. They have turned out to be a very helpful vehicle also for communications with people who, maybe traditionally didn't know about the RIRs and the NROs so much, and we feel that that is a very helpful thing. The NRO or the NRO EC of the RIR, you could say, are represented in the MAG � that's the Multi�stakeholder Advisory Group. That basically looks after and sees the IGF and the number of workshops and the foreman of the whole thing.

And Raul is in that group representing us.

The next IGF meeting will happen in November in Sharm El Sheikh. There's a number of preparation meetings, usually in Geneva, and we go and attend those and exert our weight there. We also, when there is the opportunity to do so, have a bit of an exhibition booth saying, basically, this is the NRO and these are the RIRs and have a couple of folders there. There we have a couple of brochures and look at some that are reworked and it has been submitted to the UN with the process of enhanced cooperation. We do, also for a couple of years, do a bit of a financial contribution to the IGF Secretariat and we feel it is doing a good job. They are having very tight budgets there, but overall, the whole IGF budget process is going well.

Further international co�operation � obviously the ITU is somewhat important there, especially as they sometimes claim to have something to say in the address allocation field. We do liaise with them. We meet them regularly, either one or two or three of us go to Geneva from time to time. Also, we do go to, especially the telecom world, exhibitions there. They are holding and we feel that while it might not in all cases be spot�on relevant to us, it is also, it would be a bad thing not to be able to be there and again to talk to people, again who might not know about us and might have heard about things that we would like to correct from time to time. So we think it is important to go there. We also have a couple of meetings recently with ITU officials to talk about IPv6, IPv6 address allocation, and we've heard a little bit earlier about the questionnaire they sent around.

It's important for us to keep their heels. We have lots of fun going to Geneva regularly and sitting in their meetings debating things. They've also come up on the radar a couple of years ago. We have joined, actually maybe you could say that we've co�founded the ITAC. That is their advisory committee that looks and is supported by the Internet technical community, and that's an important change that the OECD brought about last year so I'm happy to say that the NRO are participating there very actively.

Our activities in this year, basically, as I said, we have the co�ordination groups and we do quite a lot of things together, and I won't go through all of the details. I think very high on the agenda is IPv6 and outreach there. I'm happy to say also that the NROEC had a retreat in Mauritius. We tried to go to some really boring and ugly place, but Adiel was adamant that we would go there and had to go and sit on the beach! Actually, it was a very fruitful retreat. We had one and a half days of work issues there and quite a good lot of stuff came out of that. We agreed to create this new external facing group, the PCG. And we looked also at the way that we contribute to the functioning of the NRO in terms of what does the individual RIR contribute there. And we had the tradition of moving everything around, not only the functions, but also the technical underpinnings of that, and while you can imagine, it is not always really efficient and we're in the process of finally deciding which functions stick to which RIRs just to keep it easy going.

We also had and made the decision that the chairs of the coordination groups would stick to the same RIR for the EC chair just to facilitate better community indications there. And also, similar to what we said earlier about IPv4 address block allocations. We would restrain ourselves a little bit here with the 2�byte assignments from IANA allocations to the RIRs, to say, we only take two per round, just to keep it all fair and easy. If you have any questions, I am happy to answer them? If that is not the case, thank you very much.

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AKINORI MAEMURA: Next is the representative from AfriNIC.

ERNEST BYARUHANGA: Good morning, everybody. My name is Ernest from AfriNIC. I will give this presentation on behalf of my boss, Adiel, who had to leave Beijing yesterday back to Mauritius to attend to some urgent business in the office. AfriNIC � at a glance today � our operating budget is approximately $1.8 million US, which is much, much higher than what we were working with a few years back. And the head count of the staff at AfriNIC now stands at 15. That's with one part time staff who works as a special projects manager. We have three core areas of co�operation, and that's the bills area with four staff. The communications area with three staff and the technical operations manager with seven staff the structure is actually not very far off APNIC's current structure.

We recently had a new manager for the technical operations area. He's South African and is going to start working with us with effect from August 1. We are also hoping to hire three additional full time staff by the end of the year to come and supplement the other stuff so that we can support the grey membership, which is now at about 560 members.

Here are a few highlights regarding some of the activities we've been doing. The core activities, of course. The graph in green shows the total IPv4 address space growth in the region. Of course, the number is small compared to what the other registries have been issuing, but we are now standing at about one and a half /8s of IPv4. And this IPv4 address space is distributed by the economy, 63% to South Africa that's the pie chart on the bottom right. South Africa has about 63% of the IPv4 address space on the continent. Followed by Egypt, Algeria, Morocco and all of the other countries sharing about 13%.

Membership has been growing from about 200 members in 2005 to 560 at the moment. So the membership has also been growing really steadily, and we are very happy with the growth. And the top right graph shows the membership distribution of the LIR members by category, and you can see that the majority of the members, the small members, that is the blue and red part of the graph. So, the majority of the members are actually very small members, and those are holders of a /20 of IPv4 address space and smaller.

We've been busy with a couple of things. The West African Internet Governance Forum, we are leading this effort and we are trying to organize a regional event in West Africa, as well as the other regions, but this is coming soon, and we've also been working on a redundancy plan for the infrastructure. Especially the public services, we're trying to locate instances of public services in three locations, Mauritius, South Africa, and Egypt. We've also been trying to review the online training base materials. And as some of you might know, there's an IPv6 virtual lab that was set up in Mauritius last year to be able to support our IPv6 training program.

Root servers � we are working along with the RIPE NCC to set up instances of root servers on the continent. And these root servers are being established with IXPs and we've successfully had one installed a couple of weeks back in Tanzania, and after that, we received a couple of requests to set up many other root servers. So, there is, of course, a procedure that we follow, and we can not look at any and there are some requires that we need to make and we will go through an evolution process to see that the request for the root server does actually qualify to host it, and it will be useful to the community.

We've also been working with the routing registry. It has taken a little long, but hopefully by the end of this year, this should be up. And, we are also involved in reviewing our membership process to make it fully automated, so we want to make sure that everything is online and automated so that it can become simpler for anybody in the region to request and apply for AfriNIC membership.

The other activity that's kept us busy is trying to move to a new office location. For those of you who living in Mauritius, we are currently in a very small office, and the increasing number, the growing number of staff definitely has required us to move to a larger office, and we sent out an invitation for bids for a turned key approach for funds to furnish and prepare the location for moving into by the end of 2009. That is the building in Mauritius. It's not yet complete, and that office space is about 7,800 square feet, so hopefully that should cater for the growth of up to 50 staff in about 10 years. So, we're looking long�term.

We have been involved in co�operation with other centre organizations on the continent. We're providing financial and administrative support to the African Top Level Domains, AfTLD and AfNOG, and the graph there shows the amount of money which is in there to help to support the centre organizations, which stands at $24,000. We're also planning IPv6 workshops with the association of African universities and the networks, so we would be doing V6 training and programs along with that.

We had our last AfriNIC�10 meeting in Cairo, in May. That was quite successful. We had 150 participants. We elected board members. Some new board members � four of them, and we discussed three policies. As you can see on the slide, there's a few things there from the meeting there and I would also like to make this opportunity to come and welcome everybody to, to invite everybody to the next AfriNIC meeting, which is going to be held in Senegal in Dakar. It's going to be held in Mauritius. The dates are from 23rd to the 28th of November. So everybody is welcome. And that's pretty much it. Thank you. I'm happy to take any questions.

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AKINORI MAEMURA: Next is ARIN. John Curran.

JOHN CURREN: I'm the President and CEO of ARIN. For those of us who may not be following us so closely, that's a new tight toll me. I was chairman for the last 12 years. I moved into the present CEO role. A little more hands�on in the organization now and I'm happy to be onboard and happy to be participating with the fellow RIRs out here. I'm going to give an update. I didn't give the full organization breakdown of ARIN. I pulled out some slides that are sort of relevant to things that we're doing That might be a little different or how some of the ongoing tasks at ARIN that you might not have heard of. First, ARIN has a lot and that isn't exactly pedigreed. One of the things that is important for people to know, particularly the legacy community that has address blocks and haven't dealt with ARIN because they haven't had to, that if they're going to run out in the next two years, there may not be the next block available.

So we sent out certified letters to 15,000 organizations. Basically, every second of every registered block we could find. About a 50/50 legacy, and people who are under RSA and notified them that v4 is going to be running out and they should plan towards IPv6 if they're going to grow. And we followed that up this year with a statement saying that all IPv4 requests must be attested to for accuracy from an officer of the organization. What we're concerned about is that we're concerned about the possibility that as people begin to worry about the availability of IPv4 address space, that they might get creative in asking for space before they actually need it. So, we're asking them to actually make sure that the applications, when they ask for space, is accurate.

And one of the ways we're moving that to a more visible role is by asking it not to be by the network engineer, but literally an officer of the corporation has to sign off that their application is true and factual. We think that this is an important control in our region in particular, as we get into the IPv4 depletion issue.

Another thing we're doing is looking at the WHOIS database and making sure that we have accurate points of contact or talks. We e�mailed all POCs with ASN resources, that was 33,000 e�mails going out � probably making us one of the more significant spammers if you look at it from that angle! We figured we anticipate that we're only going to do this a few times to get accurate information. We sent that out over four months and updates and accuracy. That's more than 1,000 organizations updating their contact information for this address space that's being held. That helps in terms of being able to run down warts and hunt down problems. We're going to continue this. The ARIN region and a policy which actually asked for us to continue this on an ongoing basis to make it happen as frequently as annually if we can do it, and to highlight two things.

One, whether or not an address was not responsive, and just highlight that in the WHOIS. And second, whether or not an address is known to be bad and highlight that. Mark those two conditions in WHOIS. Because there's some people who like to know that information. You like to know that no�one is at the end of the e�mail address or contact information. So, if you do that, that's a pretty significant task. Sending out notifications is easy. Sending out notifications and tracking bounced messages and tracking whether or not you've got a response and updating the entries is a little more significant. But we are doing that. As requested in the region, and that again should help the integrity and help them to get at the resources that in some cases aren't being used or are just sitting out there and no�one is gone to clean them up.

We are also trying to invoke resources in another way, which is to clean up resources in another way which is leading to revocation. There are some cases where organizations have ceased being viable and they are resources. They go out and we contact them and say "You need to pay your registration fees." We've cleaned up quite a few ASNs. 3,800 ASNs have been retrieved in this manner. Ones that were requested that were never actually put to the multihomed ones and more than 533 address blocks returned. The equivalent of 84 /16s of space. You can see that slash 20 is the sweet spot. We know that that's where ISPs get started and eventually reclamation will come back this way.

And trying to maintain the integrity and making sure that the resources are put to good use.

This has led to good things. Legacy RSA. We provide services to organizations indirectly. Legacy holders Receive WHOIS services and there's about 30,000 of them according to our estimates. We would like an agreement with them. We're not interested in the money so much, but it is just knowing that they know that we're providing a service to them. We've gone out there and we've actually signed an agreement, a special version of the registration services agreement called a Legacy Services Agreement and the legacy RSA has now been signed, or in the process for about 840 organizations. We're going to keep up with this as we go. Try to make sure that everyone who is holding the address space is looking at it.

I will say, sometimes going through this process, we've actually had an organization when we sent the notarized letters out to everybody and saying � we didn't know we had it and saying, you can reclaim our address blocks. So this is resulting in some cases in more space being available to the community.

We also do a bit of outreach. We're doing a lot of participation in regional, national and international forums within the ARIN service region, which is North America and the Caribbean. And the messages regarding IPv4 depletion and v6 transition. Sometimes general education about the RIR system and the policy development process. We have a packed outreach calendar between myself and Richard, and sometimes other staff who go out and Cathy Handley. And Megan is out here somewhere. We cover this, usually at least one event covered every week, and sometimes multiple where we're letting people know what the RIR system is.

We have special outreach through the ARIN Government Working Group. We started this because some of the works from the community wanted a place to come and learn about ARIN and not quite be on the floor being a newbie, but trying to provide a little more education and provide some focus and we let them understand how our policy process works, so if they want to put policy changes in, they feel comfortable then going to the meeting. We hold these before the meeting or sometimes separate from the meeting, but it's to encourage them to participate in the RIR process and the policy development process.

Engineering activities, much like the other IRRs, ARIN just launched ARIN online, which is our online portal that allows someone to log in and do requests without sending e�mail templates. We are now adding more capability to it. We're doing work on the IRR system, and also working on WHOIS and RWHOIS. The situation with WHOIS and RWHOIS is communication, and that's now going back to the members to ask them � where do you think this should be long�term? Because obviously, we need something we can all work with and that meets the needs. We've had a lot of failed half star projects and we need to get harder and crisper guidance. RPKI actually is another important aspect. People have talked about it where we're working in co�ordination actually with the other RIRs on doing Digital signing of resources.

We claim a little late to the party in that we want today make sure that we understood what the long�term view was. We are now actively working on that. We'll have announced pilot activities.

Also, DNSSEC, we've now signed. We have a two�phase process, and later on, towards the end of this year, we'll actually be pushing on DS provisioning records out to the community as well. So making good progress there.

In terms of policy, we've been very active in policy. The ARIN region has many policy proposals. I have a few here, but roughly in order. Here's ten of them that have come up recently. I'm not going to go through them all. If you go to www.arin.net/policy. And a lot of them deal with policy and how we handle the address allocation of the last few /8s that ARIN handles; how to do that in a fair manner. So, to the extent that this is something that you have views on, we recommend participation, certainly if you're operating within the ARIN region. Of course, another way to participate would be to come to an ARIN meeting. We have our upcoming ARIN meeting, ARIN 44. It's in exciting Michigan, along with NANOG. And we'll be holding elections for next year, the 2009 elections for that meeting for the board, our advisory council and our ASO NRO representatives, And also the fellowship program.

If you know someone in the ARIN region who would like to go to the program but can't, you go online and find the fellowship program and nominate them or have them submit a form and let them know that we select someone from each of the sectors, Caribbean, North America, US, North America and Canada and help sponsor the costs of them attending ARIN and the NANOG meeting so that they can bring that information back to the community. So, ARIN 44 is going to be an interesting time with a lot of policies. If you can make it, it would be great to have you there. That's all I have, and I'll take questions.

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ADRIANO RIVERO: Good morning, everyone. I work for the communications area of LACNIC. And I'm here on behalf of our director, Raul, who couldn't come here because of medical reasons. I'm going to give the LACNIC report.

In general, we are still growing in number of resources being allocated. And our membership is also growing. We reached 1,000 members last month, which is a big number for us. The staff is also increasing every year and we are 21 at the moment.

This is our membership evolution. We divide the categories of membership into, according to the size of the IP address blocks. And, as you can see here, the small category is the one that has grown the most.

Out of the policy development process, we just had a modification last year. And we have a couple of new things. One of them is the expedite process. According to which policy proposal could be presented in the policy mailing list. And it could be reach consensus in the policy list. And another new thing is the incorporation of a new chair. We have two co�chairs now. Francisco Arias from Mexico and Nicolas Antoniello. They were elected. The forum will be ratified by the board on our website. I'm not talking about the policies. If you need to check anything, there is the link to the website.

About our LACNIC XII meeting, it was held in Panama City in May, from 22�29th of May. We have 300 persons that attended, from 40 different economies of the region. We had the usual activities, four different tutorials and the other usual activities. One of the new things that was presented was the AMPARO project. This project is oriented to promote training and promote the creation of computer security incident response teams in the LACNIC region.

The other meeting was the LACNIC Caribbean second meeting. It was held in Trinidad, 16�17 of July. And we also have a high number of attendees � 70 from 17 different countries. This meeting was oriented to foster a greater participation of the Caribbean members and to analyse security and policy issues in the region.

LACNIC also participated in the CANTO conference and trade exhibition. CANTO is the Caribbean Association of National Telecommunications Organizations.

About IPv6 training, we had visited all these places in the Latin American and Caribbean region. This year we have already visited seven countries and we are having next training sessions in Ecuador, Colombia and others.

The FRIDA program, which is something very similar to the APNIC EC program. We did a meeting in April this year, the first meeting of the FRIDA program and it was a very successful meeting. We organized training workshops. It was oriented to promote the ICT research and help researchers get fund for the projects.

There's a new call for ICT research projects that opened this August and will be closing next October 5. It's published on the FRIDA program website.

Other activities that LACNIC created was the outstanding achievement award. It's a LACNIC initiative that aims at honouring and rewarding individuals who made significant contributions to the development of the Internet and the Information Society in the region. And the first edition was presented to Mrs Ida Holz, the head of the Central Computer Service of the University of the Republic of Uruguay.

In the area of public affairs, it was created the LAC Government working group to facilitate communication with the Government regarding Internet resources administration. The first meeting was held in Panama and we had a second meeting in August in Rio de Janeiro and 15 countries were represented in this working group.

And we co�organized the second IGF prep meeting of the region in Rio de Janeiro. And this time we had 110 participants, which is a very big number because it almost doubles the participation of people from the region in the IGF.

And all the conclusions of this meeting will be presented in Egypt in the ITF.

Lastly, about the plus RAICES Project, which is a project for the installation of root servers in the LAC region. We just successfully put in a server in Saint Martin. It's the first root server in the Caribbean and the sixth in the LAC region. That's it. Thank you.

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PAUL WILSON: I have a question. LACNIC has national Internet registries in two countries, and I'm wondering if your figure of 1,000 members includes members within the National Internet Registries in Mexico and Brazil./

ADRIANO RIVERO: It includes the Mexican and Brazilian members. The NIRs.

PAUL WILSON: How many members are there roughly in those NIRs?

ADRIANO RIVERO: Almost 500 in Brazil. A little bit less I think. And around 70 from Mexico.

PAUL WILSON: OK. I ask for comparison because APNIC has recently announced the 2,000�member milestone, but that excludes the individual members within NIRs, which were not reported formerly, but which total around 1,000 or something more than 1,000. OK. Thanks.

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PAUL WILSON: I mentioned that the Chinese tea�maker should serve Uruguayan traditional tea that's drunk.

AXEL PAWLIK: Good morning, again. Report from RIPE�NCC. I have a very nice slide deck, about 37 slides or so which I've delivered to APNIC but only this morning. It's not on the site but it will be soon. However, having done the big slide deck, I have been told that, "They don't want to know all that stuff!" So I'll show you a nice picture and go home. Nearly! No, no, no, no.

About five slides or so. So I want to just very roughly go through some of the important things that we think might actually interest you. The rest you can then read up in my big slide deck that you can download from the website.

Three pillars. The RIPE NCC has over the last couple of years sat down with the Executive Board and thought about, what are we going to do when we don't have any addresses for allocation anymore? The big long�term plan for the RIPE NCC over the next couple of years. So we've done those meetings and came up with three main stays or three pillars of RIPE NCC activity. One of them obviously is the address registry and we call it life cycle management and we think we will increasingly reclaim addresses and put them in current time and give them out again as we would have to. Part of this is obviously currently very active in the APPI application we're doing at the moment.

Then we would like to boost our standing as a trusted source of data. I have a slide for that as well later on. Basically, seeing that we hold � that's basically all the RIRs, we hold the address registries. We should be recognized and known as the place to go to for information about that. For instance, the questionnaire we mentioned earlier on was sent to countries all around the world. "Do you know how many addresses your country holds?" "It's difficult to find out." "No, it's not. Go ask the RIRs. They know that." Pillar three is involving the role of the RIPE NCC and in this one we would like to reemphasize that what maybe we have lost over the last couple of years, where we focused very much on addressing and the registry. We started out at the RIPE NCC as the network coordination centre, the place where the technical coordination of the Internet within our service region has been done and we want to reemphasize that and start some exciting activities there again.

Alright. Having said all that, vital statistics. Members, we have made 6,000 members earlier this year. This includes all the members from the NIRs within our service region. Of which there are none, of course. The budget we are operating on this year is just over 15 million euro. We currently by the end of July have 112 FTEs. 112.2 or so. A couple of one bodies more.

I'm very happy to say, for as long as I'm there � that will be 10 years next month, six weeks time � we have a very stable board composition. Of course there are occasional changes but overall those guys are there for most of my life as well, RIPE NCC staff members, which is very, very good, of course.

Seeing that staff members, we are above the 100 again, we were under 100 for some time. We really started hiring in the early 2000s. I think a nice slide is that we have seen over the years significant membership growth, as well as staff growth and the overall efficiency apparently is still growing, which is a good thing.

And you also see it might dip a little bit next year. What is that? Good. Oh, yeah. This is that.

The pillar about the trusted source of data. And the registry. You might remember the policy proposal which came out in 2007. That is quite some time ago. Basically, saying get a grip on the PI assignments. You have allocated them and we have assigned them on to, speaking as our LIRs. We have assigned them on to some people which might or might not be there anymore. We observed RIPE NCC doesn't have any contractual relationship with those PI holders changed that, which is good, so then we would know again precisely who holds those resources and who doesn't.

So this policy got through. And now we have started implementing it, basically from March 3 this year, new PI assignments already require contractual relationships and that means either with one of our members, the LIRs, or for the older staff where maybe some holders might not find friendly LIR theoretically. They could also come to the RIPE NCC and sign a contract with us.

Now a little bit later on this year on September 20, we are contacting the endusers of PI�assigned resources before PI resources, before the March 3. Older stuff, through the then requesting member. Basically, we're going to members and saying, "We have this long list of PI assignments you made once upon a time, over the cause of time. Would you please deliver us the contact information with the endusers so we can contact them and give them contracts so we have a renewed relationship with them through our members?" And then the big end of course is phase three. Next year we'll go out and go try to find people that are not covered by any LIR contracts.

That's some information that might be of interest. We have gone already out and requested from our members to give us this information and come up with contracts. There are about 5,000, just under 5,000 registries who have assigned PI resources and not just shy of 2,000 have so far participated in this activity. There are about 27,000 assignments out there that we have to find. 9,101, at the point of making this slide, have been reached and have their status set.

Timeline � the LIRs are to declare up to September 20 which PI resources they feel they are still responsible for and then for those that would have to deliver contracts to us and show us contracts until the end of this year.

Then, as I said, after that we go out and find the rest of them. This is going to be a lot of work. And in the sole area of resource, of registry, data, quality, making sure our registry has the right information. For this, we're going to hire five more people. Partially for this, partially for some software development stuff. So, a little dip earlier on in our efficiency there that is probably mostly those people coming in. But we find this activity to be of crucial importance for the RIPE NCC as a registry.

Then I talked about exciting new stuff. Going back to our roots, or whatever you want to call that. We call the RIPE Labs. We don't know which RIPE Labs yet precisely. The idea is to set up a website � we call the RIPE Labs � and the ideas will go to Robert from our science group people. And to form a community around new developments in terms of basically tools for � what was it, technical coordination of Internet within our registry � if you want to do this again, we have slipped over the last 10 years or so in to a bit of formalistic view. If it's not perfect, we can't show it. That's a shame because there are many things that are not quite perfect yet, and we want to show them. And to also help us with gauging interest in the community.

Now we have done some developments that prove not to be so popular and then it becomes a bit of a problem when you have a service like that. We want a tool for us and the community to get feedback and see cool stuff, and maybe not so cool stuff and they can say, "We don't want you to continue to develop that." "Please do more of this." And "Can you please add some of our ideas as well?" So we think this is very, very exciting. We should have done this three years ago. Well, you know, as it is. This thing will be launched at the October RIPE meeting. I've asked our folks to have a simple slide waiting for them. Seeing this is so important, we also need to find a person, a community member who makes it all exciting and gets people in and engages them. This whole thing, as I said, is one of the pillars re�evolving the RIPE NCC role.

This is essential, we think, for the future of the RIPE NCC, and I'm happy to say we have, of course, newish activity. We have full support for this also, seeing that it must be successful.

Oh, and our meetings. Lots of new meetings and half of them I cut off the slide. These are the interesting ones for you, possibly. They are all open. We do regional meetings. We see our overall service region a little bit distinguishing three regions. There's the European region. Then there is the � what we call � parts of Central Asia, Russia and other countries in the area. For those who go to Moscow, we go next month again. And we have a distinctive region there, the Middle East. We've been going there for quite a number of years. We're going to Beirut. I won't be able to go there because I'm going to an ICANN meeting. There are lots of other people from the RIPE NCC and the local community there. And you're all very welcome if you have the time, if you want to come, to Lisbon for the RIPE meeting 59, it will be in October.

SPEAKER FROM THE FLOOR: The dates are wrong on the slide.

AXEL PAWLIK: I'll check my slides after. We have board numbers who helped us organize that. Thank you for picking that up. We'll fix that. Anything to say, Paul? Good. Any questions about the other 32 slides that I haven't shown you, Paul is going to answer them very happily. I would be as well, and the rest of us. Thank you very much. Any questions? Thank you very much.

APPLAUSE

MAEMURA AKINORI: OK. That's all for the reports from the RIRs. And now we are going to the Policy SIG report by Randy Bush, chair of the Policy SIG.

RANDY BUSH: Hi, I'm Randy Bush from IIJ in Tokyo. Giving the Policy SIG report as Policy SIG chair.

There's a policy development process which you can find out on the website and so on. Where we are in that process is right here. That's why I want to stress this is when I go through the policies that were reached consensus in yesterday's policy SIG meeting, that we're going to ask for consensus here again at the members' meeting, so they can be given to the EC.

There was a co�chair election. There were four nominees. Andy, Skeeve, Masato and Terence. Terence was elected and congratulations and sympathies because there's a little bit of work, as he started to find out yesterday. Thanks, Terence. And thank you, everybody, for volunteering. It's tough stuff.

Those are the proposals that were discussed. I'm not going to read this page because we're going to go through them one by one. There were seven proposals. Mostly to do with transfer. Two proposals to transfer. A couple proposals on IPv6. A couple of proposals on AS allocation. And one about aggregation. The proposals that reached consensus, the first was prop�050 � IPv4 address transfers yet again.

The action item we have, if we approve it here and the EC, etc., the Secretariat would have to implement it. I would hope everybody here was at yesterday's Policy SIG meeting. So what we're going to do is simply ask for consensus to pass this on to the EC. So, would those who support passing this proposal on to the EC please raise their hands? Those who oppose it please raise their hands?

So consensus here agrees with consensus yesterday and we'll pass it to the EC. Thank you.

The second one was prop�073 � simplifying allocation assignment of IPv6 to members with existing IPv4 addresses. Note, this is a change of the title, because on the early version of the proposal had automatic assignment � that's not in the proposal as you read yesterday. If we approve the proposal here, it will go on through the process to the EC and implementation. So if you remember that this essentially has two things which says if you have IPv4 space, you can get a certain amount of IPv6 space without going through justification. And secondly, strongly encouraging APNIC and the community to make it very clear to members and non�members that it's very easy to get IPv6 space in this region. And that falls not just on APNIC, but also on all the rest of us. With those people who support this proposal, please raise their hands?

Would those people who oppose this proposal please raise their hands? I think the consensus is pretty obvious. Thank you.

Prop�074 � the IANA policy for allocating ASNs to Regional Internet Registries be changed. This is the one that says we were essentially going to stop handing out 2�byte ASNs by the end of this year due to hardware implementation issues and operators not being ready for it and due to the fact we have more 2�byte�ASNs left than we expected. We're asking to delay that by one year, should this reach consensus here and be agreed by the EC, this will be implemented by the Secretariat.

I would like to raise an issue here. What this says is that the IANA will give the registry more 2�byte ASNs. What we forgot to do was have a proposal that says that APNIC can give those 2�byte ASNs to the members. There would be one of two things happening to make this work. The first is, "Well, 4�byte ASNs where the top 2 bytes are zero and those will magically kind of fill things in." But that's kind of a hack. And the other is we could ask the EC or the EC could decide to put through an interim measure to make this more official. I don't know what's going to happen but I wanted to make sure everybody understood that we had a policy gap, because we were � we had made that proposal.

So, I would ask for consensus on the change to IANA assignment, so that the registry can give them to the operators. Those who support this prop�074, please raise their hands? And those who oppose this proposal, please raise your hands? Thank you. By the way, do we have remote participation? OK. You're watching the Jabber? Somebody is. Thank you. Throw something at me if somebody in Jabber...

Prop�075, ensuring efficient use of historical AS numbers. This proposal reached consensus. If it's proved at each remaining stage the EC approval and � go to the Secretariat for implementation. Those who support this proposal, please raise your hands? Those who oppose it? Thank you.

Prop�076 � requiring aggregation for subsequent IPv6 allocations. This proposal did not gain consensus. What it said was current policy says for first allocation of IPv6 space, you must aggregate. But it didn't say for subsequent allocations you must aggregate. This proposal said for subsequent allocations you must aggregate. And it seemed the feeling in the room was quite the opposite, that we should not be regulating routing. And so I think this is going to go back to the mailing list. And probably next time we will face a proposal that says the opposite that first allocations should not mandate allocation. I really don't know.

This proposal was sent back to the authors for work. Proposal to supplement the transfer policy of historical IPv4 addresses. The reason it's being sent back to the authors was if prop�050 makes it all the way through the process this time, then it is believed that this proposal is unnecessary. So the authors of prop�050 don't make it through this time, we'll bring this proposal back in Kuala Lumpar.

This proposal reserving /10 IPv4 address space to facilitate IPv6 deployment did not gain consensus and the authors are going to work on it to try to accommodate the lessons learnt from the discussions we had yesterday.

And that is it. Any questions? Are there answers? No. Thank you very much.

MAEMURA AKINORI: Thank you very much for the report and also the chairing the SIG sessions and also Terence Zhang. Thank you.

PAUL WILSON: I think there's possibly one issue to clarify about the process from here, which is that the proposals having passed through this meeting do have the comment period remaining before they go to the EC, rather than going directly to the EC. So that does give Randy and Terence the ongoing responsibility to monitor that discussion, to report to the EC at the end of the comment period, as to whether the consensus is still maintained. It's after that that the proposal will go to the EC. Thanks.

I'm being invited to go on and that means to declare lunch, I think. We're a little late for lunch but we'll have to be back here at 2pm to stick to schedule. There are a couple of presentations which were scheduled before lunch but have been delayed till afterwards.

Here on the screen is a important reminder that if you're voting in the NRO NC will have to have your ballot in the ballot box before 2 PM. It will close at 2pm. Please enjoy your lunch and be back at 2 o'clock.

SRINIVAS CHENDI: APNIC would like to thank PCCW Global for lunch today, a great sponsor. Thank you very much.

Friday, 28 August 2009 � 1400�1730

PAUL WILSON: We're going to get started again. So, anyone with ballot papers that you need you'll find that the ballot box outside is about to close.

PAUL WILSON: Let's call the meeting to order. Danni, if there's anyone else outside the room?

AKINORI MAEMURA: OK. All right, so welcome back to the APNIC member meeting. Let's begin the afternoon sessions. The first of all of the afternoon sessions, we have a great entertaining part of this meeting, which is member services lounge prize draw.

SRINIVAS CHENDI: First of all, thank you for visiting the member services lounge and inquiring about the member services. We've been there all through the week and she was very good. She answered a lot of questions, and so, this draw, instead of me doing it, Tanya is going to do it. Can you pick a name card, please. And it's Professor Beatrice from the Philippines. Is she in the room? Are you there? 1, 2... are you there? No, gone, sorry. She had two more cards! Molly Cheam. On behalf of the people, we have someone here.

Thank you, Tanya. And the next one is the early bird registration draw. It really helps meeting organizers for your commitment to register early so that we know the numbers and you know, to work out the logistics for the meeting, so, for that, in appreciation of those who have committed to the meeting and paid for it, we're going to do a draw. A digital one this time. We used this in Christchurch, so please bear with me. I'm going to the dial. Danni, please come up. Danni has been handling the registrations from day one, and so, Danni, you will unveil the prize. While you are waiting, it's an Acer Netbook. It's a very good one. Very good specs. And it goes to Wei Jake Chin. 15775 registration number.

Is that person in the room? Please don't make me spin again. 1, 2, 3, gone.

Next! I know, you're enjoying this game. You hold it! And we will fast track this one for the next meeting! Looks like 15691. Bananmunkh Sosorbaram. Yes, OK. This is the last time I'm going to do it!

Let's see if there's anyone in this lucky person in the room. If not, what should we do, Paul?

PAUL WILSON: I think you've started Sunny! Just going to have to keep it going.

SRINIVAS CHENDI: Keep it going, OK! 15777. Han Chuan Lee.

LAUGHTER

I guess all of them are out enjoying the sight seeing in Beijing.

I've got about 30 names in the system, so if I keep going at least 30 times, we might get it. 15779. And the name is Choon Sai Lim.

NEW SPEAKER: Not him.

SRINIVAS CHENDI: Does anyone know him! OK, we'll do it after the coffee break. After the afternoon tea break! OK, thank you.

AKINORI MAEMURA: All right. The first report for the afternoon sessions is the NRO statistics report from Guangliang.

GUANGLIANG PAN: Yeah, I hope you enjoyed the game!

My name is Guangliang Pan, resource manager of APNIC. I would like to give you an update of the Internet number resource status. This report is prepared by five RIRs, and the data is as of June 30, 2009. First, let's look at the IPv4 address space. I believe everyone knows we have 256 /8s in the IPv4 pool. And I would like to draw your attention to the IANA reserve numbers. As of July 30, there was 30 /8s remaining in the IANA pool. And the number actually has been changed to 28 now. Let's look at the RIR allocations by year. If you look at the graph, since 2004, in the last five years, the IPv4 allocation is growth. And look at this year, 2009, it is similar, like a half of last year.

I think there's a big impact from the financial crisis. Otherwise, the number would probably be a bit higher than what we expected.

This is the total allocations by each RIR in the last ten years. You can see � APNIC actually allocated more IPv4 addresses than other regions in the last ten years. It remembers to the fact that there is growth in the region. Let's move on to the AS number. Since 2005, the AS number allocation also had growth. We actually allocated more than 5,000 AS numbers globally in the last year. For this year, we allocated around 2,200 AS numbers. And also, I believe this is probably one of the impacts of the financial crisis as well. And this graph shows the total AS number allocations by each RIRs. You can see RIPE NCC and aren't allocated more than others.

Finally, let's look at the IPv6 address space. From this graph, you can see the IPv6 address allocated to RIRs, it's a very small amount compared to the whole IPv6 address. And each RIR received /10 from IANA since 2006. And a number of them come back for more IPv6 address so far. And I believe they still have a few years to go.

So, at this stage, we don't have any worry on the IPv6 one now. Let's look into detail of the IPv6 allocation by each RIR and in different years. The IPv6 allocation was dropped a bit in 2005 and 2006. However, since 2007, and when people keep talking about IPv4 exhaustion, then the IPv6 allocation is going up again. In 2006, there was about 200 allocations globally. And in 2007, it was up to around 400, and last year, 2008, it is up, or up to around 800. And in the first six months this year, it was already 500. So, you can see the trend is the IPv6 allocation is growth.

Let's look at the total allocation. The allocation prefixes means the number of allocations. In some people's minds, they may still think that the IPv6 is not as popular in the ARIN region. However, when you look at the number here now, ARIN actually allocated more IPv6 than APNIC. In the last few years, actually, ARIN allocated more IPv6 than our region. And on the right�hand side is the total size of the IPv6 allocation so far. And the size is referred to here. This report we generate every quarter, so you can always have the update data from the NRO website, and more details on the URLs as well.

AKINORI MAEMURA: OK, if you have any questions or comments, we'll move ahead to the next.

KENNY HUANG: OK, I'm going to give the ICANN ASO report on behalf of the member from the Asia�Pacific region, including Tomohiro Fujisaki from Japan and Naresh Ajwani from India and myself.

OK, starting from the address council, who is it stemmed from with the member council. Why is it that the number resource policy advisory bodies, how is the address council organized? We have a total of 15 members and three from each region. We have a total of five regions. Two elected from a large and one appointed by the RIR board. And also including also including the RIR and ICANN members. The term of office two years for elected members and one year for appointed members. What does it do? Basically, the ASO address council advises to the ICANN board and also select ICANN board members. We select two sitting icon board members and also one set of ICANN Nom Com members. How do we conduct the address meeting?

We have regular monthly teleconferences, and also, we have a physical meeting every year. So, that's the full list of the address council member. Every region. Every region has three address council members. You can get a list from the website of the address council. OK, since APNIC 27, we conducted five teleconferences, and also, we have face�to�face meeting at Panama City. And we have selected Ray to sit on the ICANN board of directors. Also, we established communication and procedure committees in the ASO, trying to address on the issue regarding to website refinement, e�voting system, e�voting system development and setting up the wiki page and trying to collate information from other address council members as well.

OK, we also have the ICANN board election process committee. We've seen the address council, and we tried to discuss, tried to improve the ICANN board election process. Basically, the address council already have existing election process that we see are trying there and there is room to improve. So, we establish the election process committee to improve the election process. Also, we focus on the global policy management. Especially one of the policy in the IPv4 address space. They would send an advisor to the ICANN board and regulate on March 5th, 2009. And the ongoing discussion regarding to global policy, one is the global policy proposal for the allocation of IPv4 block to regional Internet registries, which was adopted in APNIC, and also in the mailing list in AfriNIC and LACNIC.

So far under discussion in RIPE and ARIN. The other one is the IANA policy for the allocation of ASN block for two RIR, which is being discussed in the IRR meeting and also we're talking about something, for example, like the historical address block but since it was being discussed without a clear conclusion, yet.

OK, regarding to the other activity of the ASO, you can refer it to the www.aso.icann.org. Thank you for your listening. Thank you.

AKINORI MAEMURA: OK, next is the IANA update. By Save Vocea.

SAVE VOCEA: Good afternoon, all. My name is Save Vocea, the original relations manager for Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific Islands. I'm giving this Internet assignment number for the update on behalf of Leo Vegoda. I wanted to talk about the IPv4 management and reclamation and DNS automation and DNSSEC.

Just to reaffirm the statistics which have been shared on the NRO, there is exactly 28 unallocated IPv4 /8s in the global pool, and that includes the final allocation of the five /8s. One each to every RIR.

On the documentation prefixes, we would like to thank APNIC for providing two new /24s for use as the documentation prefixes. There's a draft that's now available in the final call.

In 2007, IANA reclaimed the prefix 14.0.0.0/8 from the X.25 operator community and has been working with the ARIN and the IESG on returning smaller blocks this year.

On reverse DNS management, also in collaboration with the RIR's technical staff, they're working on a new automated system for reverse DNS management and it includes the provisions for including the DNSSEC delegation. The system has been entered into beta testing by the end of July. And also, in working closely with various groups on interim mechanisms for DNSSEC in the DNSSEC, in the DNS route later this year, and the interim, the ITAR will remain until permanent mechanism is agreed and deployed.

IANA has also a presence on twitter. If you want to follow the IANA closely, they've got the twitter account. So you're also able to talk to them.

And lastly, we would like to invite the community to the Seoul meeting in ICANN, because it is also held in the Asia�Pacific region. The event is free to attend. Leo would also love to announce that he's working closely with some RIR staff to conduct an IPv6 showcase during this meeting, so they're targeting the DNS registry people and also the ISPs. So welcome to join there. Thank you.

AKINORI MAEMURA: Next we will have one SIG reports here. Izumi is now coming up to the stage to present to you the report from the NIR SIG.

IZUMI OKUTANI: So, this is Izumi Okutani. I would like to give an update of the NIR SIG that was held this Tuesday from 11:00 to 12:30. And, as you can tell from the name of the SIG, it is basically a SIG that gives updates about what activities NIRs are up to. And we had roughly about 20 attendees. Mostly from NIRs and APNIC staff, but we also have non�NIR members attending as well. It might be taking a bit of time to show the slides. Sorry about that.

And this time, we had a chair and co�chair election and five presentations at the agenda. So, as chair, I've been re�elected again, so I'll be serving the SIG chair for the next two years again, and we also have a new co�chair replacing Billy Cheon from KRNIC and the new co�chair is Wendy Zhao from CNNIC.

And the presentations this time, we had lots of topics that's not just relating to NIR activities only, but sharing operational concerns and deployment status, which could be common to the community as a whole. So such as what we are going to do to address IPv4 address exhaustion issues, improve on IPv6 deployment. Measurement of IPv6 deployment or DDoS attack which happened in Korea. And we also discussed about how we can have better collaboration between APNIC and NIRs on APNIC's IPv6 program, which is to raise awareness and promote... well, the word is not simply just to promote, but to help in IPv6 deployment within the region. We also had a presentation sharing policy implementation on the transfer proposal, which was discussed in the Policy SIG yesterday.

So, if you're interested in any of this, you can see the presentation slides in the NIR SIG webpage.

The summary is that I think that this time, we had a lot of common topics that could be shared within the community, relating to IPv6 promotion or deployment, or measures. What we can do towards IPv6 address exhaustion, or transfer to 4�byte ASN. And in the future, not just our discussing in the SIG, but we tried to think of ways on how APNIC and NIRs can work together on these common areas to share information that's useful for each of our communities. So, that's it from me. Thank you.

AKINORI MAEMURA: OK, next is the time for the open discussion. So, here comes the open discussion session, so if you have any opinions, questions, comments, anything else and look at the topics on what is coming up with the AMM, please go up to the microphone and you can have the floor.

OK, any questions from Jabber site? No, nothing. OK.

The lucky draw will be afterwards, right?

PAUL WILSON: Keep doing lucky draw if you want!

OK. Jonny Martin is coming up.

JONNY MARTIN: One of the areas the NIR, sorry, the NRO was working on recently released a statement to do with cryptographic signing of updates and so on. What work has been going on, presumably in the background, because I guess APNIC would have had a say in that, and there's not really been a lot of public information about what's been going on? Is somebody able to perhaps elaborate a little bit on what APNIC's position has been on that?

PAUL WILSON: It depends how much detail you want, Jonny. And if I'm not able to answer in the detail that you're interested in, there are people who can be. Who can do that. The NRO statement was one that was made after a long policy discussion. Organizational policy discussion, not addressing policy amongst the RIRs, which... and if you're interested in a little bit of background, or reasoning to that to that statement, the concern is to create a new root authority that does not already exist, is only to ask for, or is likely in some opinions to ask for the long debates we've seen over other root authority selections, in particular, most recently the DNSSEC which has been going on for some time, and it was felt that within the time frame of actual deployment, trial deployment of RPIK services that it would not be possible to deploy the trial services or interim services on the single route.

So it was a pragmatic decision to say, we do believe, we assure the community that we believe and aim for a single route as the optimal model, but in the meantime, because some of that is not feasible in the short�term, in the meantime there, will be trial deployments based on a number of self�signed routes and one that is each of the RIRs, and that was the discussion that had to do with the pragmatics and not the technical, any technical assessment of what was a better solution. In fact, the statement says clearly that we prefer and we agree that a single route is a better and an optimal solution. In terms of the technical discussions, there has been, among a group called the Engineering Co�ordination Group, the ECG of the NRO, there's been long discussions about the architecture of this whole system, taking the IETF work and discussing and deciding how it may be implemented amongst the RIRs.

There is an architecture discussion going on at the moment which will result in a common agreed document with the RIRs, and I expect that that will be a published document.

JONNY MARTIN: Is there going to be documentation with this or is it something taken care of on our behalf?

PAUL WILSON: It's a good question, and I think the answer is that so far, there have been quite regular updates over the years on on what's actually been a long�term process for deploying the IETF standardized resource certification, but there is more to it than that. So, if we can take your question as a request for that, or a suggestion that now is the time for more open involvement to be made possible, then I'd definitely take that onboard.

JONNY MARTIN: OK, thank you.

STEPHEN KENT: In regard to the question that you asked, in the IETF, the focus so far has been exclusively on just origin validation for updates, not signing of updates, per? se. But at the immediately previous IETF meeting in Stockholm just a few weeks ago, the issue of moving on to update signing was raised, and one of the area directors for routing, which is where this work is taking place indicated that he was amenable to either extending the charter of the working group or forming a new working group to address that in particular, but they wanted to see the current work in SIDR get done first before moving on to that next stage.

MARTIN LEVY: So again, going back to the document that Jonny referenced, it has only one date in it. It has the date of January 1, 2011 as the date, and I'll just read it quickly. "The objective is for all RIRs to start issuing certificates by no later than that date:" Prior to that, it talks about the interim environment as you mentioned, it talked about the trial versus original. Is there any intent prior to 2011 to come up with a stated date towards moving towards a single certificate? Because all this says is that the RIR is downwards, it does not reference upwards towards a single certificate. Is there any timeline even to discuss and work on delivering a date for that?

PAUL WILSON: Well, I think it is logical, and it should be clear that some of the potential objections would relate, in relation to a single route have got to do with the authority for the route, the nature of the organization, and this is not a statement by the NRO, along with... a value judgment or a statement about the correctness of this position, but a perception that under the current circumstances, IANA, under its current institutional arrangements may not be acceptable to some other significant proportion of the community. Although it may logically be exactly the right place for the route to be located. For the characters of ICANN with the current arrangements which will not be acceptable to some. But when we look at the timeline of when that might change.

MARTIN LEVY: OK, so quickly, a timeline to discuss which direction it may go in, even if that's not a timeline for resolution? That is a different question. Is that even on the table at the moment for discussion?

PAUL WILSON: Well, I think everything is on the table for discussion, but I interpreted your question as an expected date to resolve it.

MARTIN LEVY: No. With the modification, is there an expected date to even start the discussion and to know that there's some... well, discussion, not progress. I'll compromise and not even ask for progress.

PAUL WILSON: Nothing has been decided about that date, but the discussion could start at any time, and perhaps you've just started it.

GAURAB RAJ UPADHAYA: Actually, I was looking at this stuff and saw that the RIPE NCC actually has a policy proposal from the certificates and task force and maybe we need to start discussing the same at APNIC, and if the ECG or whatever name it is can bring up a proposal where members can discuss and provide input. That would be my preferred way of looking at it further. We are looking at it for January 1, 2011, and it is only 18 months, and I think we spent two years on prop�050, and so, if we can see something at the next Policy SIG, perhaps more discussions can happen?

PAUL WILSON: Yeah, by the way, that deadline of January 1, 2011 is one which APNIC has already reached and which RIPE NCC has already reached and which ARIN has, I think reached, at least under a trial deployment that they're doing. But the deadline is for all five RIRs to issue certificates which are interoperable under a common framework, but you're right that 18 months is not too far away, but I'm saying that much of the work, the practical work of simply issuing the compliance certificates actually has been underway for some time.

GAURAB RAJ UPADHAYA: But I think the members probably want some input on how it goes because it does affect routing and so, I think... if it comes to the Policy SIG, there will be better ways to discuss that rather than at the open mic.

PAUL WILSON: I absolutely agree. But I will say again, from the Secretariat point of view, we've made efforts to report on this regularly, and to date, there hasn't been a request for a suggestion that that group be established, so, I think if it is being requested now, then it is reflecting an interest that appeared not to exist before and we should go ahead. Thank you.

SKEEVE STEVENS Add that there is reports to be created.

AKINORI MAEMURA: Any announcements for the forthcoming event or anything is, of course, welcome.

PAUL WILSON: Sanjaya, were you going to share more with us on your electronic polling?

SANJAYA: If you wish!

OK, yes, earlier today, on my service area report presentation, I showed you a new tool that we're considering using in APNIC, and that's the electronic SMS and web polling. So, if you go to www.APNIC.net/poll/1 then you can revisit what we have tried earlier this morning. This poll is now locked, so you can no longer add your input to it which is good, 56 people responded on the question. Did you bring laptop or mobile phone to the meeting? Clearly the majority of you have both of them a few have only mobile phone and laptop more than phone only. So this is just an indication, that one person had either mobile phone or laptop, so it is clear that the majority of attendees here have either a mobile phone or a laptop.

And then the poll number two which is a quick question about IPv6 readiness. And about 50 of you responded to this polling. Is your company organization's website accessible from IPv6 networks? A very good trend. The majority of you said yes. Some of you said no, and lastly, not sure. So, I'm going to try two more polls this afternoon, if I may. Just, so can you again look up here, stop checking your e�mail, stop watching YouTube, because I will need the bandwidth. If you could go to poll number three now. The URL is up there on the screen. Www.apnic.net/poll/3.

Oh, we've got people voting already. So, does your organization have enough IPv4 addresses for the next three years? So, again, if you only have mobile � text your response to plus 61 1420 552 55, text 2053 if yes and 2054 if not sure.

Thank you. OK, Paul had a very good suggestion, which is, can you please raise your hand if you have voted so I can tally with when roughly if the numbers of hands up and the number here. Spice

PAUL WILSON: Nice and high, please so they can be counted.

SANJAYA: So, I'm seeing 42 here and... OK, 48 of you roughly. And so, um... we're about correct and so, thank you for that. And so, the last poll that you would like to test is to go to number five, please. So www.apnic.net/poll/5. And this is the last poll I have, asking your opinion if APNIC should use this technology in the future to get more feedback from, you know meeting participants. As well as from remote participants. Should we use this? You said "Yes, with conditions." I would like to go to the mic and give me feedback on what your thoughts are there. Or even, no, if you say no, I would like to hear as well.

SKEEVE STEVENS: Is it possible to use authentication with this so we have all types of situations and looking at the discussions that we had in the last few days. Whereas, the ayes and the nays, where there can be pre�user verification?

SANJAYA: Thank you, I do have some idea about that, which I will explain soon. Any other comments?

OK, some questions which I've received, you know after showing it this morning and just now by Skeeve, two things. One is making sure that... can people vote, cheating by sending both SMS as well as on the web. And number two is what Skeeve said � can we authenticate it. The technology as it is now can not handle that, so there must be further development. I'm seeing that the majority of you say yes, but a lot of you say yes with conditions as well. I'm pretty sure it is probably caused by the same concern. So, I take your comment as a request for us to work on this technology and make sure that it has authentication. OK. Anyone else want to state their conditions? To use this technology.

OLE JACOBSEN: It appears to at least block you from voting twice, which is some sort of cookie thing, I assume. But if you opened up another browser, it let's you go again.

SANJAYA: OK.

OLE JACOBSEN: So, it is very, very simplified technology that I'm sure could be strengthened if we wanted to use it in any sort of formal sense.

SANJAYA: Yes, thank you for the feedback.

GAURAB RAJ UPADHAYAl: Actually, I like the technology and find it neat. And then, for many years, those who have participated in the Policy SIG have realized that explicit numbers are not a measure of consensus. And that will not go away, irrespective of how or what technology we use.

SANJAYA: Yes.

GAURAB RAJ UPADHAYAl: So, that has to be considered, and that's why I'm coming from there.

SANJAYA: OK, thank you, so, it is more accurate in counting the numbers, but, what consensus means needs to be defined properly. Yes. Paul, did up want to comment there.

PAUL WILSON: No.

SANJAYA: OK, thank you, Gaurab. OK, that's all from me, thank you.

AKINORI MAEMURA: Thank you very much, Sanjaya. It is actually very fun and interesting to how it would be going from now on.

OK, would you like to go to the next step which is the APRICOT 2010 and the introduction of that. Stan Singh

STAN SINGH: Many of you asked me this morning � where can I get another shirt like this? There isn't one, because they were only made especially for this trip, but I would be more than happy to give you this shirt if you want, except I've got my name on it, and if you want to take my name, that's fine. But I have no other shirt to take back with me. Anyway, let's me just carry on. I'm here to talk about APRICOT 2010. PIKOM will be hosting it in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. That will be the first time we're going to host it. We hosted in 2001, 2004 and it's going to be in 2010.

Malaysia is truly Asia, because you get all sorts of cultures and food and activities and it's not just going to be another APRICOT, but it's going to be an APRICOT that's probably going to be something that you will take back and remember and have a lot of memories after the event and Kuala Lumpur next year. As I just mentioned just now, we had hosted a number of other events, so pretty much a good track record. PIKOM has a good track record. We handled the ICT and hosted a number of other events, regularly and that is to breach the digital gap to bring up the use of IT in the country and with other organizations and we also held the first inaugural leadership summit. This was the event to bring the business community into the ICT world if I may use that in this context. So it gave us a lot of ground and experience for us to once again host 2010, APRICOT 2010.

The venue � it's going to be... by the way, this is not an artist's impression, this is an actual picture. It's not that someone drew it! As you can see � why here? Because this is a home away from home. Everything that you want in Kuala Lumpur, in this city is found within this city and the venue is an exciting place at the Kuala Lumpur convention centre. It is located near twin towers, which is located on the right�hand side. That's the venue for 2010. That's the Trader's Hotel which will host most of you who are coming.

That's the Mandarin Oriental. Just near the convention centre. And of course, we have the shopping centre, which is at the base of the Twin Towers and also the path for those who want to go jogging, if you are one of those who likes to keep fit, there's plenty to do. And for those, with all due respect who want to pray, there's also an area to pray if you want to do that too. And of course, for those who want to do base jumping if you're one of those dare devils, we can arrange that too. If you don't like that and you want that, we can check you to the KL Tower which is close by! So, just to let you know that everything is close, because part of the event talks about networking � a very, very important part of the APRICOT event.

The official hotel, the Traders hotel as I showed you just now. By the way, all of the rates are in US dollars. This is the lowest rate that we have finally negotiated with awful the hotels and the hotels that are close by.

We put the time there. This is not the time that you walk. This is from point to point. If you start walking from the hotel to the actual event, that is how much time it will take to walk. If you're going to be a fast walker, it will be close. Just to let you know. Don't be frightened. The rates are very, very attractive. You won't get the rates anywhere else. We really have very good rates that we have organized for you.

Apart from the APRICOT 2010, of course, we'll have the, one of the events at APNIC 29 that's going to go on and there will be areas where you're dealing with operational presentations, that's the training. That's also the meetings and you have the APNIC meetings and the support meetings and things like that, all right. So, as of yesterday, the website is now united. I wish I could call it Manchester United, but I can't. This is the website that we've united both the APRICOT 2010 and the APNIC, so if you go there, you can see the home page and then you can go in and get all of the details that you would like to look for the APRICOT 2010.

That's the program. The first five days will be on the workshop and the remaining five days will be on the conference and the tutorial. It's quite a vast laid out plan, as you can see, but the details will be on the website as you go along.

Don't miss an opportunity, at any event like this. Sponsorship. I'm opening this floor, and of course, from here on, if you are keen and if you would like to be part of the 2010, the APRICOT 2010 event, we're more than happy to welcome the opportunity and welcome to speak to you about sponsorships. We expect about 600 attendees. This is again looking at 50 economies. Of course, we have lined up a lot of heavy promotional items and promotion events to market APRICOT 2010 to bring it, to make it a home run, so that not only you, but you will feel that we've done a good job by the end of the day. So, please grab the opportunity if you can. This is for the diamond sponsor, this is what you will get. I won't go into details, but there is a lot of options.

One key item on this is the branding, because on the convention centre when we talk about hanging banners, you have a lot and lot of visibility. It is very, very well planned. If you go for the platinum of course, you get lesser. If you see 7 again there, number 2 is missing, that's the banner. And if you look at item five, the tickets from four became three. So the lesser the sponsor, the fewer the items. Now, I don't have much more details on the other packages, but you're more than welcome to go to the website and take a look at and see what would suit you to be part of that event.

One of the key events that we're looking at is the social event. Now, if you look at the picture right on the corner, that's where we are thinking of having one of the dinners and it's almost adjacent to the Twin Towers. The view is spectacular. It is breathtaking. But not just the end, but you want to be sure that not only you are locked into your various programs, but also to let your hair down at some point and be part of a very good social network and some good memories for you to take back. With that, I conclude my presentation and I thank you very much, and as we say in Malaysia, thank you very much.

See you in KL.

OLE JACOBSEN: Will you take a comment or a question? It's just a comment, actually. I just wanted to say that... oh, here we go. I just wanted to say that you didn't mention anything about how we get to Malaysia. You have a very well connected international airport, and it's also very close to Singapore. You can actually take a bus from Singapore, I guess it takes half a day or something like that. I've taken the train once, which is a really lovely ride up through the plantations, is that right? Anyway, I will let you expand on the travel options.

STAN SINGH: Can I just look at the other part of my notes because I was worried about time! Thank you very much. Actually, KL, we have one of the... I think it is the second or the first, I'm not sure whether it is the second or the first. Of course, if you ask me, I will say the first. It is the most beautiful airport in the world right now, if you ask me that. Being Malaysia, I'm very proud of the KL international airport, because it is the hub, as Ole just mentioned, to almost all of the closest cities. From KL, you can get to Singapore from 35 minutes by flight. Get to Bangkok in an hour and one and a half hours to the Philippines, and so it is all very, very close and the transport system is excellent, because most of the areas that you want to reach within KL and the vicinities, it's very, very close.

Now, good service, if you want to come to KL, please take advantage also of the holiday package, because when you get to KL, you can do a lot of sight holiday packages that you can go to places. We have lots of mountains, we have lots of water, and we have lots of water too and there are places in Malaysia where we do have hotels where you have TV and no mobile phones and no nothing. You're back to nature if that's what you want to do. So, lots of interesting places to see. Food � it's 24 hours, non�stop. Any time is a good time for a meal in KL. So, with that, if I may also conclude now, because I know that time is running out and know that you guys need a break. But do take a break after APRICOT 2010, because there's lots to see in KL. Thank you very much.

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PAUL WILSON: We, having heard about APNIC 29, we are now also in a position to talk about APNIC 30, which is the meeting that will happen in approximately 12 months from now. And on behalf of the APNIC EC, I can announce that the decision has been made to accept a bid to host the meeting in Thailand. In Bangkok and the bid is from TOT.

We'll now be hearing all about what we can expect in Thailand in August 2010.

APIPOL GUNABHIBAL: Good afternoon, everyone. Thailand is the official host for the 30th APNIC meeting. I would like to thank the EC and APNIC giving us a great chance so this presentation would be an invitation for all delegates to join the APNIC meeting in Bangkok in Thailand.

TOT public company limited, telecom and Internet service provider in Thailand. Our company was founded since 55 years ago, and corporatized from telephone organization in Thailand since 2002.

The event will be held during the 23rd to 27th of August 2010. At the Four Seasons Hotel in Bangkok on Rachaprasong district at the heart of Bangkok, so it is very easy to go to any tourist spot in Bangkok, including our international airport, Suvarnabhuran. So finally, I would like to thank you all again to you guys and look forward to welcoming you all to Bangkok in Thailand in the 30th APNIC meeting. Let's see you in Bangkok. Thank you.

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AKINORI MAEMURA: So, the next one in KL and then in Bangkok. It will be fun.

OK, the next the NRO NC election result. And Cathy, Cathy will be presenting the results.

OK, the winner is with 73 ballots on site and 18 ballots online, that makes 91 ballots total. Mr Kenny Huang.

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Would you like to say something?

KENNY HUANG: OK, thank you. Thank you for your support. Anyway, I don't consider it a reward to me, I consider it an honour, more responsibility and more commitment to the community, and thank you again for your support. Thank you.

PAUL WILSON: So, hello. With that, we are at the end of the agenda for the AMM. The member meeting today and for almost at the end of the APNIC 28 week.

I would like to give one final chance for any other business from anyone who is in the room. If there are any questions, any announcements, anything of interest, or of concern, then please feel free, and we have one.

GAURAB RAJ UPADHAYA: You've been asking for announcements, so, APNIC 31 is in Hong Kong! APRICOT 2011 is in Hong Kong, and we announced that in Manila, but we're re�announcing it now.

PAUL WILSON: That is a very good point, so we actually are announcing and able to announce three coming APRICOT meetings. KL, Thailand, Hong Kong, and in fact, shortly after this meeting, we'll make the call for proposals for APNIC... what will it be? APNIC 32. Which will be in this time in 2011. So, you now all know what you're doing For the next 18 months and soon for the meeting after that.

Anything else?

ANDY GREY: The network will be going down.

PAUL WILSON: OK, the network will be going down shortly after we finish. So, shortly after we finish the meeting here, the network will be turned off so that's encouragement to you to stop listening to me and do a final check of the e�mails!

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But no, I would like you to pay attention because we come to the time that we should be saying thank you to everyone who supported the meeting. This meeting was supported heavily by quite a number of generous and committed organizations who have helped us. So, firstly, the diamond sponsor for the APNIC 28 social event, which was a fantastic event. Full of all sorts of fantastic entertainment and great food, great company. That was China Mobile, so let's say thank you to China Mobile.

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We have China Unicom as the policy day sponsor, they came in at the platinum level, which is also a very significant level. So thank you to China Unicom.

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For today, we had three very reliable good friends of APNIC returning to help us with sponsoring the costs of today's event, the APNIC member meeting and that, of course, as you see on the screen is JPNIC, TWNIC and KRNIC, which now not NIDA. Thank you.

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We had two remote locations online for yesterday and today, where we had a good crowd of people in the room for most of the time. I think at one point yesterday, we took a look over at the other rooms. They were a bit empty because it happened to be prayer time at the time in Bangladesh and KL, but those events had some APNIC staff there, but very importantly, they had some sponsors onsite who gave us access to the facilities and supported the events, so, that was ISPA of Bangladesh. That's the B, sorry, and TM from KL. And if you can hear me to everyone in the room.

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And more thanks. We had some significant number of volunteers and a very important help from these volunteers in making the event that it has been. So we had Dr Hong Xue as the chair of the plenary session on Tuesday. Jian Zhang from CNNIC chairing the IPv6 session. Zhao Wei, Tomoya Yoshida, Matsuzaki Yoshinobu and Martin J Levy and George Michaelson.

And we had Izumi Okutani and Randy Bush as the chair of the NIR and Policy SIGs and the ongoing commitment of Izumi and Randy. We had Emmer and Dean from Red Bee Media Australia doing the steno captioning. So, thank you to everyone who helped us out. Thank you.

And there's far too many to list, but there are a crew of APNIC staff here who I hope and I trust have been of help to anyone who needed it. And also, with CNNIC, the staff at CNNIC have been absolutely fantastic and have really worked hard to make this event the success that it has been. Thank you to them and to the colleagues who have come from around the world, and last, but certainly not least is everyone who has travelled to be here as a participant in the meeting. Thank you very much for your support. And we will see you again at APNIC 29 and as Sunny has just shown me. We have CNNIC really, as the host of the meeting, have done an outstanding job. So let's say thank you to CNNIC.

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And we'll see you in KL. Thank you. See you then.

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And I suppose everyone is sitting there because we still have to go through this. And I don't know when your flights are leaving.

SRINIVAS CHENDI: We carried it all the way from Australia, I'm not carrying it back.

PAUL WILSON: Thank you, Sunny, I'll leave it in your hands.

SRINIVAS CHENDI: Hello, so Danni is up on the stage and we'll start rolling this until we give out the prize! Would you like to sing a song, Danni?

DANNI: No.

SRINIVAS CHENDI: Oh, this time it is going to eight. No! 15457. Now, I know that you can't remember your number so we have the name as well. Wai Phang Lum. Sorry about my pronunciation. In the room? No. Moving on! This is the fourth time I'm doing It. I'm counting how many times!

15613. David A Tran.

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NEW SPEAKER: We can not leave here.

SRINIVAS CHENDI: Does anyone know David Tran? Keep going? OK. I can read the specs if you want. While we're reading, Intel atom processor N 270, 160gb, wireless LAN, Bluetooth, everything. David Woodgate.

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He's gone!

OK, I'll keep going. Sorry David! You missed it!

I'll continue the specs. I think I read everything. Oh yeah, it's got LAN but it doesn't have an inverse CD rom. 15821.

Matthew Lepinski. Left!

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OK, we still have ten minutes. 3:30 is tea time! Let's see if we have a winner sometime. A winner present in the room this time! Stephen Kent. We have a winner! Finally!

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PAUL WILSON: Finally, some reward!

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Oh, they cut me off! It's still not working. Hello! I got a message from Save and thank you for that. What he's saying is, and I can see how valuable it is for you to register early, come to the meetings to attend so you can win something very, very valuable. So next time, try hard, please. Next meeting is in KL. We will open the registration, be in early to win a prize. I can't say what it is now, but I'll wait for the meeting. And don't leave early as well, Paul said that. So, we missed about five of them. And thank you for Stephen Kent for being in the room.

OK, I've got a few lost and found items here. A few spectacles. If anyone lost them, I'll leave them at the registration desk, please come and collect them or at the Secretariat in Drawing Room 4. And an Anycall Samsung. Oh, that's yours. Please!

And that's it. Thank you. See you in KL.

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